On Jan 30, 2008 3:11 PM, Greg Donald <gdonald@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I think your perception is correct. But Perl is very powerful too, > and not so many people use it for new web development either.. with > list serve traffic being my reference. > > SPL's main drawback for me personally is carpal tunnel syndrome, I > don't have it and I don't care to acquire it. i sortof enjoy having php on the backend and javascript on the client side. it lets be bounce around between paradigms. as per the ruby / prototype integration, i will say, that is one nice component, that i actually use all the time now. infact, im on the rails-spinoffs mailing list where we discuss prototype. i read a book, 'prototype and scriptaculous in action'; learned a ton of course. nowadays, my webapps have the web 2.0 buzz. but as far as the generation of javascript on the server side, i still have mixed feelings. the case made by rhino is, your favorite java editor, your current java debugger and you dont have to learn another language. well, i suppose the case is somewhat similar for the rails / prototype integration. javascript is actually quite a complex language and its funny because people will always say things like, its such a nice 'little' language. if youre not familiar w/ functional languages w/ closures and so forth, anonymous objects and functions, etc.. javascript can be really confusing! i would extend this as a good reason to understand the language. but what a hippocrate i am, since im using propel to get away from sql :) to each his own, indeed. what id like to know, since you seem to know so much about the ruby on rails framework, is, what sort of debugging support is there? this is a weak spot in php to be sure. ive tried multiple clients w/ xdebug w/ marginal success at this point. -nathan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php