At 10:15 AM -0500 12/12/07, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:00 -0500, tedd wrote:
> There is simply order and randomness existing in our minds. There is
no order, nor randomness, existing in nature, it's our perception,
clarification, and categorization of nature that demands attributes
be assigned to artificial groupings of identity threshold exceeding
objects. In other words, we decide on what IT is and then assign
order to IT.
Your statement is contradictory. If there is no randomness in nature
then there is no randomness in our minds since we are inherently a part
of nature-- yes even when we leave plastic lying around everywhere. We
aren't the only creatures in nature to make toxic messes (there's a
reason that you can't gain a higher alcohol concentration than about 18%
through the fermentation process).
Cheers,
Rob.
Just because we come from nature, does not mean that our perception
of randomness and order is forced upon Nature -- Nature is what
Nature does.
Our minds are not complete (some less than others) and we do not have
everything solved. It is part of our survival mechanism to understand
the world around us and we are continually adding to our collective
knowledge -- it's the great equalizer between us and other critters.
We've developed a system for observation and it's that system that is
problematic in trying to determine and apply artificial terms for
order and randomness. Granted it's a pretty good system, better than
any other critters, but certainly not flawless.
I can look out over the Mojave desert and see tumbleweeds growing in
cubic-closest packing (as I've done). I can reason and postulate why
they grow that way, but the tumbleweeds don't give a hoot -- they
just grow that way.
Just because we think, does not prove randomness, nor order, in
nature -- it only proves that we think about it.
As for plastic -- either Mother Nature will deal with plastic or
we'll add another rock-type to the stratigraphic record.
Cheers,
tedd
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