On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:00 -0500, tedd wrote: > At 2:22 PM -0600 12/10/07, Jay Blanchard wrote: > > > >Without order there cannot be randomness. > > Without randomness, you wouldn't know what order was. You're random with disorder. > This is one of those yin-yang things. Not really :) > There is simply order and randomness existing in our minds. There is > no order, nor randomness, existing in nature, it's our perception, > clarification, and categorization of nature that demands attributes > be assigned to artificial groupings of identity threshold exceeding > objects. In other words, we decide on what IT is and then assign > order to IT. Your statement is contradictory. If there is no randomness in nature then there is no randomness in our minds since we are inherently a part of nature-- yes even when we leave plastic lying around everywhere. We aren't the only creatures in nature to make toxic messes (there's a reason that you can't gain a higher alcohol concentration than about 18% through the fermentation process). Cheers, Rob. -- ........................................................... SwarmBuy.com - http://www.swarmbuy.com Leveraging the buying power of the masses! ........................................................... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php