On Thursday 08 November 2007, Instruct ICC wrote: > Do you pay for Ubuntu? Maybe a support package? > > Earlier this week I was pissed at Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 and their > developers. And I began thinking that the major difference between open > source software (free as in no $ outa my pocket) and retail closed source > software is that maybe, just maybe, I have someone to complain to about > their bugs in the retail case, and should just be thankful I have an > ordered set of bits given to me for free in the open source case that > sometimes gets the job done (not to mention sometimes getting support, > community, knowledge, etc.). In my case, it's entirely different. Too many proprietary software companies are locking down their software too far for me to be comfortable with. DRM, product activation, region coding, forced-subscriptions... "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more software users will slip through your fingers." There's still a very small number of non-free programs I use, but they're being replaced as quickly as I can with something open source and at least passable. I simply don't trust code that tries to fight me. *snip lots of talk about Dreamweaver et al* > I just looked at Eclipse PDT (due to this topic and its posts). It looks > like a text editor with possible project grouping of files. What do I gain > by using it? > > Aptana is okay for Ajaxy javascript and html (and I think PHP). It's > Eclipse again though LOL. I just don't like when I feel constrained and > can't absolutely place a widget (like you can in MS Visual Basic). If you want to absolutely control layout, don't bother designing for the web. :-) > Netbeans Matisse (it has a new name now) can do it, but it deploys to Java. > Delphi for PHP (retail product) looks good, but its MS Windows only. And > although I can use a VM, I'd rather stay away from MS products. Sun Java > Studio Creator can, but it's Java again. > > What do you want in an integrated development environment? > > I would expect Zend Studio to be _the_ PHP IDE, but it doesn't meet what I > want in an IDE. That's because Zend Studio (which is one of the few proprietary programs that I feel tempted to use personally, as I use it at work and love it) is a programmer's IDE. It's for people writing code. From the sound of it, you're looking for a designer's IDE, for doing things graphically. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you. Not in the least. But it's a different sort of task, and requires a different sort of tool. > I want to "just model" like Gentleware's Poseidon. Maybe some UML; maybe > just Tersus. I want to refactor like Sun Java Studio Enterprise. > I want to layout my GUI like VB, Matisse, and Apple's Interface Builder. Then you don't want to be working in HTML. > I want to remote debug like Zend Studio. That is easily my #1 favorite feature. :-) The only worthwhile context-sensitive code-assistance I've yet to find would be a close second. But I highly doubt you'll find a first-class PHP code IDE (Zend Studio) that is also a first-class HTML layout tool (Dreamweaver). -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
