On 7/31/07, Chris Aitken <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Come on folks.... is this a thread that really needs to be duked out here? > > It's a bit ridiculous having legal issues regarding copyright (and whatever > else has been brought up) by a collection of (mostly) legally untrained > computer nerds (I include myself in the nerd category so get off the flame > button). > > Let it die already. There's more important things to waste bandwidth on... > like discussing ... I dunno.... who's hotter... Oprah Winfrey or Roseanne? > > > Regards > > > Chris Aitken > The Web Hub Designer and Programmer > Phone : 02 4648 0808 > Mobile : 0411 132 075 > I agree with 5000% with you, this is a PHP list, and of course threads get OT sometimes, but this is really too much OT, and there's no solution for the problem ;) Tijnema > ------------------------------------------------- > > Making The Web Work........ The Web Hub > http://www.thewebhub.com.au/ > chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Confidentiality Statement: > This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may contain > information that is PRIVILEDGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the > intended recipient, dissemination of this communication is prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please erase all > copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Garfield [mailto:larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 10:28 AM > > To: php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: Re: Pirate PHP books online? > > > > On Monday 30 July 2007, tedd wrote: > > > > > Our entire legal system is built on allowing (granting permission) > > > certain actions and not allowing (not granting permission) other > > > actions. > > > > > > You do not have permission to steal. And if someone has not granted > > > you the permission to use their whatever and you do use their > > > whatever, then that's stealing. > > > > So jay-walking (illegal, you do not have permission to do it) is now > > stealing, > > because it's something you're not granted permission to do? > > > > > >A great many people -- myself included but also the Creative Commons > > > > folks, the FSF, many open source developers, and many others -- > > believe > > > > the current system of copyright law to be fundamentally flawed. > > > > > And, I doubt that the organizations you site actually agree with you. > > > > I have personally spoken to both Larry Lessig (Creative Commons) and > > Richard > > Stallman (FSF) on the subject, and feel confident in saying that both > > agree > > with the distinction. Lessig doesn't feel it's an issue worth pursuing > > when > > there are bigger fish to fry. I respectfully disagree. > > > > > >Not that we shouldn't have copyright, but that the current form of > > > > copyright is broken. A work restricted for an entire generation after > > > > the > > > >original author is > > > >dead? > > > > > > What about descendants of the author? When anyone dies, their > > > descendants have a rightful claim on their parent's assets -- it been > > > that way since the dawn of mankind. Do you think you know better than > > > the practice of thousands of generations? > > > > Actually no, property law didn't really come in until civilization, some > > 5000 > > years ago, which is rather small on the scale of "dawn of mankind". And > > copyright didn't exist until perhaps 5 centuries ago in England, and > > covered > > just publication, and was for less than 20 years. Copyright being long > > enough term for inheritance to matter is less than a century. Over the > > scale > > of human history, unrestricted information flow has been the rule, not the > > exception. > > > > But what you're suggesting is that legalized extortion should be > > inheritable. > > Copyright is, fundamentally, legalized extortion as a means of "promoting > > the > > progress of Science and the Useful Arts". Do you keep paying the guy who > > built your TV every time you watch something on it? Do you keep paying > > the > > company that built your house every time you move? Do you pay your > > teachers > > from college every time you use something you learned there? Do you pay > > your > > dentist every time you eat? > > > > > > > >And for that, I am accused of having no morality and values. > > > > > > I don't think anyone has accused you of that, but saying what you > > > have, leaves us with the obvious conclusion that you don't recognize > > > copyright infringement as stealing -- and that does cast a long > > > shadow as to morality and values. > > > > I will simply leave the above snippet in place, as I think it speaks for > > itself. > > > > > tedd > > > > > > PS: I said I wouldn't get back into this argument, but your claims > > > are just absurd. > > > > This from the man who just claimed that perpetual copyright for all > > decedents > > of an artist was a fundamental part of human existence for as long as > > they've > > been humans. Can we stick to facts when making logical arguments rather > > than > > completely made up nonsense? > > > > -- > > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > > larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ICQ: 6817012 > > > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the > > possession > > of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- > > Thomas > > Jefferson > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2429 (20070730) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Vote for PHP Color Coding in Gmail! -> http://gpcc.tijnema.info -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
