On Saturday 28 July 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 28/07/07, tedd <tedd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >On 28/07/07, Larry Garfield <larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> If "indirectly affecting the market so that prices change" counts > > >>as stealing, > > >> then Coke and Pepsi build their business models around stealing from > > >> each other. > > >> > > >> Apache/PHP/MySQL are then "stealing actual money" from Microsoft, > > >>because they > > >> reduces sales of Windows, IIS, Visual Studio, and MS SQL Server. > > >> > > >> Great, so that means we should shut down Pepsi to stop them from > > >>stealing from > > >> Coke, and shut down PHP to stop them from stealing from Microsoft! > > >> > > >> I would say that shows just what pathetically laughable bullshit > > >>that argument > > >> is, except that Microsoft has made it publicly before, albeit phrased > > >> as "defending capitalism". You see why I find it so offensive? > > > > > >Ah, so you are saying that by pirating software/books/music you are > > >creating market competition, which drives the producers to produce > > >higher quality content at affordable prices. I feel so stupid that I > > >didn't see it that way from the beginning. > > > > > >Dotan Cohen > > > > It' a lost cause trying to get him to admit that it's stealing. > > > > But, I did just hear that same argument from a movie called "The > > Fifth Element" where the bad guy was claiming his bad deeds did just > > that. > > > > Cheers, > > > > tedd > > He's probably just trolling. > > In any case I think that I remember the scene. Wasn't that just before > he double-timed his accomplices and gave them a booby-trapped weapon? > Lesson to be learned here, don't trust the immoral.... > > Dotan Cohen 1) Something can be illegal without it being theft. The idea that "if it's not theft then it must be OK" is the bullshit argument that I am pointing out as bullshit. 2) No, I am not saying that copyright infringement is a good thing. Perhaps you've heard of a concept called "hyperbole". Or one called "sarcasm". I was pointing out that if copyright infringement counted as "theft" from someone else who was paying for a licensed copy of X, then Pepsi having a marketing campaign counted as "theft" from Coke because of lost sales. Both are equally asinine statements. That's the point. 3) At no point in this conversation have I ever said that I engage in or support copyright infringement, and I am insulted that you would accuse me of such without any evidence or justification to back it up. I am pointing out that you are saying things that are *factually inaccurate by the laws of the United States*. And for that you accuse me of copyright infringement and being immoral? That is without a doubt the most offensive comment I've seen on this list so far. I would say I expect an apology, but given that you fall back on insulting someone's ethics just because they don't buy into the same lie that the media cartels have been spreading that you do I won't hold my breath. Really, I had expected more mature commentary from the adults on this list. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
