I really dont see what all the fuss is about. If MS is going to have us all running on thin clients, and Google/Yahoo want to beat them to the punch, is this really going to matter who we pay? The article on digg.com http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_Yahoo_Merger_Redefines_Access simply means we will be getting our desktop as a service, and MS have the same goal. PHP will only be a small part of this if Zend decide to throw thier lot in also. Matt