"is ever generated by anyone at anytime? Most pre-packaged applications > such as blogs, CMS, picture galleries do produce HTML directly without > template engines which would require a separate installation issues and > dependencies which most designers try to avoid. Even template engines > have > libraries of gadgets which do produce HTML directly." Good point. That's the example I was looking for. Thanks. Just didn't make sense late last night why you would go through all the effort and I did read your thread. The \n\t\t\t was just meant to show one of the reasons why I chose to move it out of the php code. No doubt, is your solution impressive for the purpose it serves. I did not mean to offend you in any way. GL. Fredrik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fredrik Thuresson" <ft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:45 AM > Subject: Re: Tidy HTML source? > > >> "At one point or another plain HTML has to be generated. " >> >> Care to give me an example? I never generate any html in my php code >> anymore. >> > You are entitled not to, but stretching it to the point of denying that > HTML > is ever generated by anyone at anytime? Most pre-packaged applications > such as blogs, CMS, picture galleries do produce HTML directly without > template engines which would require a separate installation issues and > dependencies which most designers try to avoid. Even template engines > have > libraries of gadgets which do produce HTML directly. > > So, you might not echo HTML directly. That is fine, it is an option. > This > is not for you. Evidently those who participated in these thread before > do > generate HTML directly because they are concerned about formatting it and > that would be unnecesary if they used templates. > >> It's not very pretty when your code looks like echo >> "\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<tr>"; >> > > Look at the examples I pointed to, you won't see anything like that. > >> Is that not a form of a templating engine that your are building? > > No, not at all. Just read the document. Moreover, I would appreciated if > you read my e-mail in full, specially the part that says: " I would > appreciate any comment on the project, EXCEPT that you use template > engines > and that you do not generate HTML directly." > > Satyam > > >> >> Fredrik >> >> Satyam wrote: >>> May I invite you to check http://satyam.com.ar/pht/? This is a >>> project >>> I started some time ago to help me produced HTML in a more clean and >>> efficient way. Usually, producing good HTML involves running a sample >>> output through some HTML validator or looking at the HTML and checking >>> it >>> out by hand, which, of course, requires good formatting to make it >>> understandable. In the case of too dynamic HTML (meaning, output can >>> vary widely) it is impossible to produce enough samples of all the >>> possible outputs to get them checked out. >>> >>> So, my idea was to embed HTML into the language itself so that the >>> final >>> output could be checked at 'compile time' and even before, using the >>> standard tools provided by the IDE (even just matching braces goes a >>> long >>> way into checking for missmatched HTML tags). >>> >>> The samples page (http://satyam.com.ar/pht/sample.htm) show several >>> examples. >>> >>> I think that a tool such as this one might avoid any concern about >>> tidying up HTML since, after all, most of the checking could be done at >>> the PHP source level. Further development (which I have not started >>> yet) would lead to automatic verification against DTDs or XSchemas. >>> >>> And, of course, I would appreciate any comment on the project, EXCEPT >>> that you use template engines and that you do not generate HTML >>> directly. >>> I've heard that and it is completely missing the point so, please, >>> spare >>> me that one. At one point or another plain HTML has to be generated. >>> >>> Satyam >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly" <php@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <php-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:13 AM >>> Subject: Re: Tidy HTML source? >>> >>> >>>> On Monday 27 November 2006 17:10, Mark Kelly wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am I crazy to make an extra effort in my code to make the generated >>>>> HTML >>>>> pretty? >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this - I'm quite relieved that >>>> I'm >>>> not >>>> the only one who sits and tweaks so that the HTML is nice and >>>> readable. >>>> >>>> It just struck me that trying to make my PHP spit out page source that >>>> looks like it was made lovingly by hand was perhaps the work of an >>>> obsessive. >>>> >>>> Now I know that even if it is, I'm not alone :) >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- -Fredrik -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
