[snip] I know the imagemagick tools. I use convert when I need to perform operations on images and gd is not available. I'd like an alternative without having to install any extra packages specially that in this case the scripts will be hosted in a win32 machine (windows xp). [/snip] Ah. Well. You could have saved me the effort by being more descriptive in your first post. 1. Doesn't want to use GD. Check. 2. Doesn't want to use Imagemagick. Check. 3. Doesn't want to install extra packages. Check. 4. SOL. Check. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php