Robert Cummings wrote: > I think you mean novice use. There are certainly times when assigning an > object to a variable I want all the values currently referring to that > object to see the update and not just the variable being assigned to. I > understand that objects in PHP5 are passed by reference under normal > assignment, but it's a copy of a reference and not a reference to a > reference. I am not sure I would call it novice use. Normally you simply want to manipulate the object itself. As in: class foo { public $prop = 1; } $a = new foo(); $b = $a; $b->prop++; echo $a->prop; This will of course output 2. Manipulating the object through any of its references will be reflected in all the others as there is just one object here. -Rasmus -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php