[snip] $string = '12345678901'; $jayString = substr($string, 0, 9); $kevinString = substr($string, 0, 8); echo $jayString; // echos 123456789 echo '<br />'; // echos 12345678 echo $kevinString; It turns out to "skin" a mule is to outsmart him. Because mules aren't actually stubborn, they're just smarter than most of us. [/snip] Drat! Foiled again! My mind is absent. If you only knew.... My apologies for getting the math wrong...damn....I need a vacation. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php