Hello Richard, Wednesday, June 1, 2005, 10:16:50 PM, you wrote: RL> For example, I simply can't validate with a 100% height table, but RL> that's the only way to get the layout I want on both ancient and RL> current browsers. I think you need to define, quite clearly, what you regard as an "ancient" browser here. To my mind an "ancient" browser would be Lynx or the early Mozilla / Spyglass builds where tables were just a dream. What do you regard as "ancient" ? RL> Does anybody know of a "What Works Works Validator" which checks RL> for maxiumum browser compatibility rather than the W3C standard? CSE HTML Validator for Windows does a nice job. Beyond that, why not just download the browsers and install them? :) I'm sure they're in the Evolt browser archive. Best regards, Richard Davey -- http://www.launchcode.co.uk - PHP Development Services "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." - Isaac Asimov -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php