>I would never think to question Andrews ability to beg for money for Stanford. Eh? I don't understand this reference. I have no association with Stanford University. Andrew On Tue, January 7, 2014 11:13 am, Randy Little wrote: > Hey my family made its mark doing 200mph in a circle Jan. > > > Yorman also in a thesis defense there is a understanding of quality as > that person has already been accepted into and had 2 years of study in an > advanced field. I would never think to question Andrews ability to beg > for money for Stanford. I know nothing about fund raising. Wouldn't > think to question Tina on Honduras. Wouldn't question you on Math. > Wouldn't Question Trevor on teaching to the poor in the 3rd world. In > a thesis defense the Candidate also knows to respect the board. > > Randy S. Little > http://www.rslittle.com/ > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2325729/ > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> >> Andrew, the issue I have with your ?critiques? is that they concentrate >> on what I alluded to in an earlier statement about minutiae, and in case >> you have forgotten, here it is again: >> >> "What seems to have happened to photography is that now we see and/or >> work with the smallest of details, reviewers pick apart the most minute >> unimportant points of an image rather than looking at the overall >> effect, general tone, or ?feel?. Plus most of us are filled with a sense >> of impending fame which comes from everybody believing they are on the >> cusp of becoming widely known for their efforts in photography while >> nothing could be further from the truth.? >> >> I must have gotten it right, as none of you said anything about this >> paragraph. Am I the leading prognosticator on this list? I am unsure as >> to why, but it may be that you are wrapped up in the itty bitty parts of >> images. I never lose a sale due to a bit of dodging missing from the >> side of a face or from an errant ripple in water so why worry about >> them? People do not buy art because of finely tuned dodging or burning. >> They buy art >> because of the overall feeling of a piece or because it is in a color >> they like. People buy art which (for lack of a better term) resonates >> with them. >> >> Speaking of art sales, I had a customer show up here on Saturday to >> pick up a print which was still drying when he arrived. For the hell of >> it, I showed him the PF gallery for the week and he silently went >> through the images. Then we went through them again and he noted that >> with no exceptions, every shot could have benefitted from the >> photographer not being in a hurry. Harry correctly noticed that Dan >> Mitchell?s Androids were >> humorous, reasonably well composed, and had the most promise. But the >> shot could have benefitted from Dan waiting until the various folks >> walked by. The folks on the right assist with judging scale, but the >> woman on the left looks like she is about to depart and that would have >> been good. So why didn?t Dan wait 60 seconds? It?s called Amazon, UPS, >> Fedex, the web, >> internet, and drivers going 110mph on the M1 heading out of Edinburgh. >> Do >> y?all know that going fast is not going to give you more time in your >> life and in fact may shorten it? >> >> Jan >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:51 PM, asharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >> >> >> Right. So, if you and Jan are such Professionals, you would think that >> such Professionals would have to have very thick skins to survive the >> horrible, nasty, unfair world of COMMERCIAL PHOTOGRAPHY. Gasp! So, >> then, why are both of you so defensive when someone critiques *your* >> work? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> On Tue, January 7, 2014 8:03 am, Randy Little wrote: >> >> >> Thats right Don and in actuality I hold back A LOT. I would love to >> >> >> see Howard levant critique the photo forum gallery the same way he >> >> critiqued his classes. Howard was know for getting kids to drop out of >> >> >> the program because he gave honest critiques of students work. And >> just >> >> like in School and in the world on commercial art THIS ISNT A GAME. >> >> This list >> >> >> was started as a resource for institutional photo education for those >> >> seeking to be professional artist and teachers at other like >> >> institutions. No one improves from their work from the getting a BJ >> >> review. I'm not every going to kowtow to comments from people who >> >> aren't in this for more then just to get a BJ from their little click >> of >> >> faux inteligincia buddies. People so blind they can't even see the vile >> >> >> the spill makes a Jan review SUPER SUPER SUPER KITTY KITTEN TAME. >> Its >> >> >> not what this list (of which I have been on since one of the founders >> had >> >> use sign up on day one or maybe day 10) was started as. >> >> >> here are some reviews of art from the art world. Do you think what Jan >> >> >> said is on par with these which I still find tame to what I hear >> >> regularly in the commercial world. These are all about establistshed >> >> very famous artist from major news paper art critiques. >> >> >> Rules for critique from a photography class at CUNY Albany first. >> >> >> *I need you to be willing to say what you think about others' work and >> to >> >> hear potentially harsh criticism about the work you've done.* In order >> to >> >> become better artists, we must be willing to speak openly about the >> >> issues at hand and to dispense with qualifying opening remarks such as >> >> "this is >> >> >> just my opinion" and the like." >> >> >> "What is without doubt is that Cindy Sherman?s work adds up to the >> >> >> biggest artistic ego trip of our time." >> >> >> "The last time I saw paintings as deluded as Damien Hirst's latest >> works, >> >> the artist's name was Saif al-Islam Gaddafi... Seriously -- Mr Hirst -- >> >> >> I >> >> >> am talking to you. It seems you have no one around you to say this: >> stop, >> >> now. Shut up the shed." >> >> >> >> "The Hirst à Gogo is a blatant promotion of both the Hirst and Gagosian >> >> >> brands, and a sitting-duck symbol of the end-time, >> >> we?re-doing-this-because-we-can decadence that has subsumed so much of >> >> the art world ? yet another instance of money celebrating itself." >> >> >> "The [Warhol] show defangs everything. A Bruce Nauman neon work >> flashing >> >> the word DEATH, included because Andy also dealt with death, comes off >> as >> >> a bauble. A Basquiat skull-head is on hand, because skulls equal death, >> >> >> too. A Matthew Barney setup photo of someone with a gun? Yup, death >> >> again." >> >> >> "Beyond the coincidental temporal associations, I could discern little >> >> >> connection among the clips. It?s just a gimmick. .. I just can?t >> conceive >> >> of watching it for longer than I did, let alone nineteen fucking >> hours." >> >> >> "Pound for pound, ton for ton, it is the most witless and wasteful >> >> >> production in modern operatic history." >> >> >> >> "There are no redeeming qualities to this show. Nothing happens in the >> >> >> Phillips videos screening in two of the four galleries... And >> collectors >> >> clearly don?t always have the ability to distinguish the avant garde >> from >> >> the hacks." >> >> >> "These images are so passé they feel like a provocation. I don?t get >> it." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Randy S. Little >> >> >> http://www.rslittle.com/ >> >> >> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2325729/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Don Roberts <droberts@xxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Just for the record, Randy, you and Jan don't seem to realize that this >> >> >> list is not just for hard working commercial photographers. All of >> >> your criticisms seem to be from that view point. We have many people >> >> who are students, art photographers and journeymen who just want to >> make >> >> a living. I made a living shooting for a university for 35 years and >> >> have shot thousands of photos just like you. I couldn't specialize but >> >> >> shot passports, portraits, check presentations, groups, banquets and >> >> lots of sports and scientific photos. I realize I am still one of >> those >> >> journeymen who gain little from your advice from the "big leagues". >> >> Let's try to >> >> >> proceed from that perspective and maybe a little civility and fewer >> >> whizzing contests will prevail. Don >> >> >> >> >> On 1/7/14 8:41 AM, Randy Little wrote: >> >> >> >> >> You thought that what he said about Tina's work was harsh? Wow you >> >> >> really don't deal with the real art world do you. Curious jack how >> >> many permanent collections besides your walls that your work is in? >> >> How many >> >> >> commissions have you done? It's not anyone's problem that people >> don't >> >> like hearing the truth from people who day in a day out review working >> >> art and produce working art. Not just being rich hobbyist who can't >> >> handle the reality of the quality of their work. It's funny Tina >> >> probably gives a shit what Jan said other then to have the brief >> >> conversation. If you can't handle people as mild as Jan maybe being an >> >> >> artist isn't for you. Stick to collecting. Even my wife who >> disagrees >> >> with me regularly on things like this or loves to point out its OK to >> >> have a differing point of view thinks you three should stfu. Yeah >> think >> >> about that the VERY TRADITIONAL Japanese woman thinks the 3 of you >> don't >> >> have a clue. The woman that thinks I'm a temperamental artist know >> >> wants to have lunch with Jan because he makes her laugh and thinks you >> 3 >> >> >> are jealous and angry and have no clue about working in the world of >> >> art. The person who told me to my face. You aren't really going to >> >> make me use this image right? For the first card I shot for my reps >> Xmas >> >> >> card thinks you 3 would last 5 minutes in her office. On Jan 7, 2014 >> >> 8:13 AM, "John Palcewski" <palcewski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Here's Jan Faul's *modus operandi, as if by now it needs to be laid >> >> >> out* *.* >> >> >> >> >> >> First he spews forth a barrage of dismissive, contemptuous, and >> >> >> insulting comments on an image in the gallery, or a comment from >> >> another list-member, who invariably in Art Faul's view is "clueless." >> >> Then he cites how >> >> >> long he has been a photographer, a photographer vastly superior to >> >> anyone on the list past, present or future, and hints, just hints, he >> >> might well be superior to, say, Ansel Adams, who back in the day >> >> promised him a box of paper, but never delivered. >> >> >> >> >> Well, in passing, one should note that Ansel Adams's word count in >> >> >> his Wikipedia entry is 8,000. Jan Faul's is 1,000. And if you're >> >> wondering, Randy Little has zero. Zip. >> >> >> >> >> Anyway, having delivered his cutting insults and disparagements, Art >> >> >> Faul >> >> >> moves on to the next object of his derision and contempt. Meanwhile, >> >> the list-member Art Faul attacked earlier finally gets around to >> >> sending in an objection, a complaint, a response. >> >> >> >> >> Ah, this is precisely what Art Faul was hoping for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ignoring HIS OWN incivility and contempt in the first place, he >> >> >> condemns the listmember for his complaint. Look! Look, everybody! >> >> See how >> >> >> abrasive that person is who is criticizing me? Doesn't that person >> >> realize what I know so far exceeds what HE knows that it's laughable? >> >> Doesn't >> >> >> he realize that I've been taking tens of thousands of images before he >> >> was even born? >> >> >> >> Art Faul likely will NEVER acknowledge the legitimacy of the >> >> >> complaints repeatedly directed at him here, going back at least ten >> >> years. But it seems to me that we ought not just tolerate his >> >> incessant incivility in silence. When he crosses the line, we ought >> >> to SAY so. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Klaus Knuth <klausknuth@xxxxxxx> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Did anyone ever notice that Jan's panorama shots were taken with a >> >> >> "Noblex" camera? >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 00:49:18 -0500 >> >> >> From: ygelmanphoto@xxxxxxxxx >> >> >> Subject: Re: Rules >> >> >> To: photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >> >> >> Finally, Jan Faul has proven the "case" against him regarding his >> >> >> malicious behavior in this forum. >> >> >> I'll start with his parting comment. He says "Noblex Oblige". >> >> >> Ignoring his misspelling, the French phrase Noblesse Oblige >> >> >> literally means "nobility obliges". It is the concept that nobility >> >> extends beyond mere entitlements and requires the person with such >> >> status to fulfil social responsibilities, particularly in leadership >> >> roles. >> >> >> I understand the concept, but apparently Jan Faul does not. >> >> >> Perhaps >> >> >> he thinks it implies that nobility deserves obligations from others. >> >> At >> >> >> least, his report of his many accomplishments that he continues to >> >> display implies that others are obliged to pay homage to him and to >> >> never criticize his work. >> >> >> So simply, the "case" is closed. He has the motivation and the >> >> >> misunderstood concept to back him up, so he behaves accordingly. >> >> The more >> >> >> compassionate among us might wonder from where this behavior >> >> derives, but that might be studied by others. For me, my advice, >> >> when such outbursts occur, is to ignore the outbursts. Let him >> >> throw insults at the slightest whim. What does it really mean? -- >> >> what damage does it cause? With a slight shift of the words of >> >> Ronald Reagan, "There he goes again." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Jan Faul <jan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> I have not understood what my detractors on this list are trying to >> >> >> accomplish in photography if it is not just enjoying the ability >> >> to make photographs. This is essentially why I shoot pictures. I >> >> really love making images and the negativity I get from some here is >> >> troubling. The very people who have accused me of bringing misery to >> >> their lives are bullying me for being different. What I have noted >> >> about my life and imagery has fallen on deaf ears so here it is >> >> again: >> >> >> I have been a professional photographer since July 27, 1970. I have >> >> >> made tens of thousands of exposures on film. If you were born after >> >> that date, you should not try to catch up as life is not a >> >> competition. I have been making a living with my wits for almost 44 >> >> years. I didn?t draw a paycheck, get W-2?s, sit in an office, drive >> >> a cab, wait tables, or push papers around for a living. I only made >> >> photographs, and curators refer to me as ?prolific.? I have 26+k >> >> contact sheets in my mostly complete scanned rolls folder. I?m >> >> neither bragging nor apologizing for making this quantity of work, >> >> but rather simply stating the facts. Most if not all of you have not >> >> followed the same difficult path, and have not sought to have a >> >> varied professional photographer?s life. It feels like all of my >> >> detractors here have day jobs and my advice is to not give them up. >> >> Being a free-lance professional photographer means that you?re >> >> >> always ?on?, you don?t tell clients you don?t feel like working, >> >> that they should come back another time, or that your favorite >> >> camera body is in the shop, so they should wait. In addition to all >> >> that, you also have to create good to great images day in and day >> >> out, but sick days are allowed. Although I have recently taken 1065 >> >> sick days in a row, few of you have shown any compassion. It?s like >> >> ?So what?? >> >> >> My wish for the Gorams, Trevors and Andrews of this list is that >> >> >> they grow up. We all make our own paths and some do it by following >> >> rules and others do it by breaking them and purposefully not >> >> following instructions. Noblex Oblige >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Art Faul >> >> >> >> >> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints >> >> >> ------ >> >> >> Art for Cars: art4carz.com >> >> >> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com >> >> >> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com >> >> >> Camera Works - The Washington Post >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt >> >> >> .htm >> >> >> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Art Faul >> >> >> The Artist Formerly Known as Prints >> ------ >> Art for Cars: art4carz.com >> Stills That Move: http://www.artfaul.com >> Greens: http://www.inkjetprince.com >> Camera Works - The Washington Post >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/battlefieldparks/front_qt.htm >> ArtNet: http://www.artnet.com/artists/jan+w.-faul/ >> >> >> . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
