: Nothing to brag about, but I have neglected to install Flash player for, what, 4 years since I had to install a new primary HD. *Everyone* sees me as nuts, but I tell them I am the "client", so if you want me to look at your content ... : : I also pat myself for all the advertisement and annoyances I don't watch. dont worry, I hold the same beliefs as you, but I have a testbed machine and this was the one that was clogged. I really dont like the invasive nature of most commercial proiducts and the attitude they seem to have that if you buy their software, they own you :/ k