That's a very interesting point, Karl. Mac's and PC's would use the same (lead-free) gizzards. The article in this case must be referring to EU's recycling program (the WEEE mandates) where the manufacturer has to make provisions for the recycling of its products once the end-user wants to chuck them. Frankly, I have to doubt the facts of this article - It doesn't make sense to me that Apple would be on the bottom of eco friendliness and PC's on the top, you'd think if anything it would be the other way around. My concept of a Mac user is a very young, hi-tech savvy, cool new generation, tree hugging hippy type; whereas the PC user is the blue suited IBM conservative. Obviously my concepts of the two are formed primarily by Mac's marketing campaigns... By the way, please define for me what "C-tick" means; I'm not familiar with that term. Is it a similar thing to the RoHS mandates? PW -----Original Message----- From: owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of karl shah-jenner Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:16 PM To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students Subject: Re: how green is your electronics maker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Weyn" : I got to be honest with you Karl, this article is a bit misleading. What is : being referred to here is the use of lead in electronics. I know.. I had a huge issue with the phasing out of murcury batteries - which coincided with the introduction of friendlier, safer NiCd's (yeah right, cadmium is SO safe - not) and then there was the C-tick legislation/anti-pollution stuff that crippled small electronics makers here in Oz and.. and.. and.. I think it's funny that a Dell can be rated as enviro-friendly when it uses the same gizzards as a mac. Ho hum, whould I smile when I see the religion of Environmentalism going head to head with the Mac/PC religious groups ? ;) k