----- Original Message ----- From: "Peeter Vissak" >LOL..... But he was right to a great >extent. That's why you hardly ever see Unix, >Linux, or MacOS users crying about a virus. > >Bob I've hardly seen any virus with my Fenster XP as well. Likewise with my 98SE install, in fact I can't recall the last time I had one. However there seems less virus activity trashing computers these days than in the past, more emphasis seems to be dedicated to either stealing user information to make money, or installing code to prevent copyright breaches - hence the Sony Rootkit VIRUS. Mind you back to the original point, the Vista OS comes out of the box with so much digital rights management stuff, all the web bugs and root kits PALE into insignificance beside this. Truly this is the first Windows OS I can consider the old joke 'windows is a virus' to be totally true. Sadly, people will just accept the limitations placed on them and their surrendered privacy. Not nice, not nice at all. http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=21870 all OS's potentially contribute to or are affected by dodgy practices (like being tracked by web bugs): http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1220092545 and there's the small issue of apple shipping some ipods with a virus load onboard (!) http://www.apple.com/support/windowsvirus/ and the apple update page where all the security patches can be downloaded: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ I'm not sure about this philosophy though: "Apple security updates ...For the protection of our customers, Apple does not disclose, discuss or confirm security issues until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patches or releases are available". On one hand it appears a sound decision, on the other it can be viewed as either a 'head in the sand' attitude, or otherwise one which minimises the number of people who know about the flaws and thus the number who could potentially contribute to remedying it. for an example of the sorts of security threats macs face see here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304829 k