On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:59:34 +0100, Bob Talbot <BobTalbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote/replied to: >If I didn't know you better I'd think you were only a teenager :o) Ya ya, that's what my wife keeps saying too ;-) >Substitute PopStar.name for Software.name and this thread is starting >to read like a schoolkid fanzine. > >Couldn't you be a little more specific about why exactly it "Sucks" >or is that impossible without learning to use Adobe raw first? Well, first of all you can't open Adobe Raw straight out. I mean you have to open either the Bridge or PS first. Then you can select to send an image to Adobe Raw. Oh yes, you can send a bunch of images by selecting them all then sending. However, after I do a shoot, I want to open Capture One and there are my images ready to tweak. Interestingly I tried some things just now I never thought of before. I went to a RAW folder and selected All, then right clicked and chose Open in Adobe Bridge. Adobe Bridge opened with the message No Images. Nice. I was only able to select All and drag and drop to Bridge, of course after opening Bridge. Then I selected All and chose Send to Camera Raw from the right click menu. Finally all images are shown in Raw. Here's a good one - there is a selection box labelled Setting. In the drop down menu you can choose Image Settings. Great. Now when you check, it's gone to Auto settings, arggghhhhh! So you try the little arrow in a circle and find a menu to turn off Auto. Now in this menu you discover a choice called Save as Camera Raw default - yay. This should be the default already Here are a few things I discovered after playing more with Adobe Raw while composing this mail. I admit right now that I did find ways to make this program workable for me. In fact, I found features that make it a good choice in some cases. But I still prefer Capture One for it's ease of use and quickness. - Adobe Raw can't save images as smaller previews in custom sizes. 1536 by xxx is the smallest. Looks like only choices are camera JPG sizes. -AR does give you the ability to easlly upscale to gigantic sizes. And they look good too. - In AR when saving images you can't tell the processing status except the small status line which is poorly placed. - AR -You can save to Photoshop format, yay. - AR - Not able to remove the right side settings third of screen. - AR - Slow preview scrolling. - AR - Why do I need Brighteness when I can change Exposure? - AR - Vignetting and color fringing adjustments are nice. - AR - No Soft Unsharp and no Sharpness threshold. Boo. - AR - Camera Profile adjustment is nice. - AR - I like the histogram display. - AR - Can't move thumbs to bottom, they are only on the left side. Size changes when you drag the bar left or right. Can't display thumbs in more than one row. Boo. - AR - For some reason, even with Auto settings turned off, all my images looked adjusted. In Capture One, I had several that needed more exposure. In AR, only two needed it. Most looked like they had been already tweaked. C1 - quick and easy tweaking of all the settings you really need and easy to figure out. You can fill the screen with thumbs and put them bottom or left side. Yay. C1 - nice unsharp features, love the Soft Unsharp. C1 - Easy save previews to any size you want. C1 - nice status of processing, even in the Taskbar C1 - fast and comes with the defaults you'd expect. There are some reasons why I prefer C1 and hate Adobe Camera Raw. But I found out you can set it up better, it just doesn't come that way, and that turns alot of people off, including me. -- Jim Davis, Owner, Eastern Beaver Company: http://easternbeaver.com/ Motorcycle Relay Kits - Powerlet, Posi-Lock I'm a BMW rider and enthusiast.