> and I do use the fire wall, along with internet security and anti virus > software, oh yeah and I do use an add blocker, pop up blocker, I guess > that's about it, if I think of more info Ill forward it along. Terry There's plenty of scope there for explaining the differences - why some can see it and others not. OK, I'd only said I was using 98 (as goodness knows how many progs no longer support it) but XP SP2 is a little devil in disguise too. Goodness knows how many sites I can't access from work since we "upgraded" with that. Oh, it could even be something as simple as blocking third party (aka paid adverts) cookies. Designing a site that everyone can see is no small feat. B