<<Ok Bob time to fess up, what is it? It almost looks familiar to me but not quite. Oh yeah I do like it!>> Terry Oh alright then Its a macro shot of the centre of a transparent plastic CD tray. Lighting was the key: it's lit from below via crossed polarisers ... giving the charactersitic coloured patterns ... which when presented in monochrome give wonderful pseudo-textures "satin" "stainless steel" The black region inside the "plughole" is just a real hole - which through crossed polaroids looks black. I like it a lot myself (without the black zit top right :o) Bob -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm