>This will soon > become impossible as the graphic becomes indistinguishable from reality. Well, it is possible now if you set the resolution low enough :o) http://wwwimages.daz3d.com/galleries/upload_files/1511T.jpg http://www.petersharpe.com/Landscapes/oldjetty2.jpg A lot of images are just wacky, but when used to simulate photographs it really is getting harder to be sure > Virtual reality is now so good that people have been fooled into thinking > that they've really been to Mars! You can get very disoriented by virtual > reality. The reason that virtual reality and reality can appear indistinguishable is probably because they are the same. The book "The World In Your Head" by Stephen Lehar explains one view. http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/webstuff/book/WIYH.html Example Chapter 1: http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/webstuff/book/chap1.html "The brain is wider than the sky, For, put them side by side, The one the other will contain With ease, and you beside." - Emily Dickenson > However the consensus is that I should desist in my computer graphics for > this forum and I'll try to remember to abide by that rule in future. I didn't read the concensus as that at all and I'd certainly like to see your artificial image. What I'm looking forward to seeing is your development of your modelling skills with some reference to photography. As you say, it's cheaper and easier to learn lighting with Judy than with real models :o) The day when you can place her in a crowd scene, with the lighting, shading and perspective so well done that it won't jump out she didn't belong will be a lesson for us all! > I'll send another (real) photo for next week shortly to replace the totally > computer generated graphic I've just sent, even though the model I "created" > has been described as "gorgeous" by my friends. Don't - please just let us see it and even complain about it! Bob