> Just a thought - should images that have no connection > to reality be shown in our photography gallery? andy I believe yes. The future of photography as I predicted some 4 or 5 years ago is no photography. Computer simulations are getting better all the time to the extent that they become progressively more realistic. There may come a time when all "images" are in fact partly simulations: that is already 75% true with bayer-grid cameras anyway :) Seriously though, a hybrid simulation / digital capture could produce incredibly high pseudo-resolutions, to the extent that you could zoom in on every oak leaf of a distant tree ... when in reality the tree only occupied a dozen pixels on the sensor. What "intrigues" me is the preponderance of naked young female forms in these simulations - not just Chris's but in other sites devoted to Poser and Bryce. But there are others where the rendered images are so pseudo-real they are all but indistinguishable from a low res. photo. I think we can learn something from the illustrations - once they get beyond the naive. Bob