> My guess is therefore (to the nearest pixel) 75 pixels from the left and > 174 pixels from the top. Thats about a third of the way across the > centre of the white circle. Karl My best estimate, scaled to the gallery version was ... 73, 177 for picture see: http://website.lineone.net/~wildimages/PF/karl34_origin.jpg Of course, I too could be wrong ;o) > my raw figures: > head > 140 159 > 193 158 > 225 142 ******** Didn't you mean to type 252, 142? Best Bob