----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Subject: Re: Painters and Artists Just a thought - do you, as photographers, refer to yourselves as artists? Think about yourselves as artists? Do not feel you are artists? Of course I think of myself as an artist. All my life, and in the woumb, I have been sensitized to the understanding that 'fine art' is of the 'fine' mediums, that is the early basic expression of capturing space in time. The medium that has been refined over time, yet not changed. I.E. painting is with a brush, but materials and techniques have progressed; sculpture is a refined medium, drawing, print making. The pain of not expressing ourselves becomes surpassed by the pain of expression, and what we do to stop the moment in life is art. Steve Shapiro