My background and training is in graphic design before computers came in. The first thing I remember is in design is design for the end user. For some reason with the advent of computers as a tool in design the industry has lost this focus. I use Flash, Photoshop, Illustrator and many other design tools but I still design for the end user. It is obvious that by using Flash or someother tool you will not reach all the people you want. Ask yourself the question: is it easier to change 1 person or 1000. A word in defence of Flash. Flash is an excellent tool, I have used for my technical illustration and animations. There is a place for Flash but not every where. -- TTFN graham