Hi Jim, I think I know at least one area, they go to those g*d awful discs at your local electronics store. You know "1 gazillion images for your use royalty free". I actually had a prospective client come to me with a disc similiar (except the disc vendor wanted $25 per usage) and want me to copy for them the location, folks and general look and feel. I explained to them that that was illegal and unethical to say the least and rude as well. I never heard from them again either... Hey BTW the shot you had on the list a few weeks back of the kingfisher, it was way cool. Does Japan have anything like the Osprey? I am going to shoot the Blue Angels over the SF bay this weekend, always a good show. I Like my "birds" with flames out the warm end... Les Baldwin _____stuff snipped _______