<<< Please do not go down a political debate discussion. A bit of off topic is fine. Keeps the list sane. But politics and religion and similar topics can get out of hand in a hurry so please do not comment on the posting that the above question refers to. >>> Andrew I almost deleted the thread unread till I saw your name against it - guessed there must be somthing worth reading ;o) Mostly a lot of toff and piffle but one isolated chunk jumped out ... "Telling one hard truth can lead you down, down, down into a vicious circle of more truth, revelation, embarrassment, and chagrin. That's one reason for the truth's dangerous reputation" Yup, a good lesson for everyone everywhere - once you start telling the truth who knows where it will end ;o) Bob "Oh what tangled webs we leave when we try not to decieve"