Norman,
Wow! I agree with everything that you said 100%.
My big issue here is not to exploit or make money off the Iraqi people.
It is one of doing the proper thing ethically and legally. I want to ensure that both of those issues are addressed and a discernable answer is taken before I procede.
Of course, I am in a position of "so what, I am sure noone will know". However, for me that is not the answer.
As far as the release, it is no problem for me to get it written in both Kurdish and Arabic. I am struggling with what the wording needs to be. Of course it has to have some legal mumbo-jumbo in it. However I would like to to be simple enough that the person will honestly understand what it is stating. I do not want them to get trapped in the wording and not know what they are signing; something I feel happens often in the model release world.
Any suggestions for text content?
Kristoffer J Buquet
kristoffer.buquet@us.army.mil
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Norman,
Wow! I agree with everything that you said 100%.
My big issue here is not to exploit or make money off the Iraqi people.
It is one of doing the proper thing ethically and legally. I want to ensure that both of those issues are addressed and a discernable answer is taken before I procede.
Of course, I am in a position of "so what, I am sure noone will know". However, for me that is not the answer.
As far as the release, it is no problem for me to get it written in both Kurdish and Arabic. I am struggling with what the wording needs to be. Of course it has to have some legal mumbo-jumbo in it. However I would like to to be simple enough that the person will honestly understand what it is stating. I do not want them to get trapped in the wording and not know what they are signing; something I feel happens often in the model release world.
Any suggestions for text content?
Kristoffer J Buquet
kristoffer.buquet@us.army.mil
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Norman,
Wow! I agree with everything that you said 100%.
My big issue here is not to exploit or make money off the Iraqi people.
It is one of doing the proper thing ethically and legally. I want to ensure that both of those issues are addressed and a discernable answer is taken before I procede.
Of course, I am in a position of "so what, I am sure noone will know". However, for me that is not the answer.
As far as the release, it is no problem for me to get it written in both Kurdish and Arabic. I am struggling with what the wording needs to be. Of course it has to have some legal mumbo-jumbo in it. However I would like to to be simple enough that the person will honestly understand what it is stating. I do not want them to get trapped in the wording and not know what they are signing; something I feel happens often in the model release world.
Any suggestions for text content?
Kristoffer J Buquet
kristoffer.buquet@us.army.mil
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From: Norman Ford <njford@netvigator.com>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2003 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Model Release Question
> >
> >
> >Hi Kristoffer,
> >
> >Unless you plan to market and or sell these in Iraq, why even
> bother. It is
> >a third world country, a contract produced here will only get you
> some hard
> >questions as to why you are "making" some poor man or women sign
> the paper.
> >
> >You do not need a release unless the images are used for
> something else
> >other than news or editorial. If you plan to make a Iraq calendar
> than you
> >might need them. But in reality how are they to know if you did
> and it was
> >produced here. As many know I am always on the side of Law and
> Order as far
> >as business is concerned but to me there is no issue unless you
> plan to use
> >them in a commercial way.
> >
> >Anybody else?
> >
> >Les Baldwin
> >
>
> So Les, are you implying that because Iraq is a 3rd world country
> and,
> using a "how are they to know" attitude, law and order
> (copyright,
> standard ethical practice, and so on) don't necessarily apply?
> (Additionally, if he had no intention of using the images in a
> commercial context why is Kris asking the list about a model
> release?)
> Regardless, this brings up touchy issues given the location (Iraq)
> and
> the photographer's country of origin /place in that country.
> I don't believe model releases are only about covering your
> own butt
> in the images' country of origin. Beyond copyright and potential
> lawsuits (important concerns) releases are also related to a
> negotiation
> with the subject, an ethical position that acknowledges a certain
> level
> of respect for who you're photographing and why. Certainly both
> these
> legal and ethical positions should matter globally? And I can't
> imagine
> it would be that difficult to get a simple Arabic (or whatever the
> applicable language) release drafted in country. Further,
> considering
> Kris' position in Iraq (note his email address) I respect that he
> even
> asked this question - it perhap shows an admirable level of
> sensitivity
> to what could be an easily exploited situation. Having said all
> that,
> Kris' and Les' concerns as to the logistical nightmare of actually
> getting releases signed and in any usably legal form are valid and
> worth
> consideration. A very simple, multi-lingual release (there are
> many
> examples online) may go a long way in resolving some of these
> problems.
> Lastly, if a photog doesn't want to get into the "hard questions
> as to
> why you are "making" some poor man or women sign the paper" then
> perhaps
> they should be questioning why they are making those pictures in
> the
> first place.
> Norman
>
> Les Baldwin wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <kristoffer.buquet@us.army.mil>
> >To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students"
> ><photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu>
> >Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:44 AM
> >Subject: Model Release Question
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I have a question regarding Model Releases. I understand the
> "basic" norms
> >>
> >>
> >for what does and what does not require a release.
> >
> >
> >>My specific question relates to my travels in Iraq.
> >>
> >>If I were to take a photograph of a local Iraqi (child, lady,
> boy, man,
> >>
> >>
> >etc...) with their permission, what are the legalities of getting
> a release?
> >
> >
> >>1. What if they cannot read the release (in thier native
> language of
> >>
> >>
> >course)?
> >
> >
> >>2. What if they cannot write?
> >>
> >>
>
>
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