Greggie wrote --- >>>>If Norm didn't find your post objectionable, he will definitely find my laboring of the topic to be vile.<<< Vile belaboration, a time-honored tradition on PF, not to mention academe. >>>While the plant in the image stands its ground, the plant did not. I, of course carved my initials into it with a pocket knife but I screwed up the 'G' so I just uprooted the whole thing and threw it into the river. I liberated it from its' oppressor then left it to fend for itself.<<< Wisely & well-done, m'boy. You liberated it from its mortal coil (been watching a lot of CNN ?). Think of it as 'editing'. --- Luis