Norman, you raise two appropriate points. On your main topic, I agree. Things seem to go off topic. But, you second point that appeals to me was mention of the misinformation. I notice that, too. I would very much liketo read some corrections to posts that are in error. This is a forum that includes educators. It would be especially interesting to see HOW those of you who know better bring those flaws to the attenton of those who post erroneous information. It becomes interesting to see the myths and legonds of photography finally filter down in this generation accepted fact. Things that simply 'ain't so' are perpetuated and show up on this list. You can almost tell where these poor fools got their information. Certainly not out of books. :) Tell all, what's the facts . . . corrections are a benifit to educators. S. Shapiro ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Ford To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: Forum content vs. stated purpose A...photo-imaging education and professional practice discussion list A major goal of this network is to serve as a communications link for photo educators, and interested others, dedicated to discussion of photography and imaging including aesthetics, processes, history, digital imaging, instructional strategies, criticism, equipment and techniques, especially, but not exclusively, as these apply in an educational setting. This is the subtitle and the stated goals of this forum. If these are in fact the goals then IMHO something is amiss. (Perhaps the goals of this forum have changed?) I joined some months back based on the statement above and have been reading the digests daily. I am a photographer and educator with a good bit of experience (20+ yrs) who was hoping to find a forum to discuss technical and conceptual matters at a reasonably intelligent level. Instead I've found, with a few very notable exceptions, messages containing gossip, mindless responses to honest if simple questions, misleading tech advice (understandable on any list), utterly off-topic postings, and so on. [note the content of the last few days] I am hoping this is not a reflection of what are clearly some very professional and well intentioned posters but perhaps more an odd conflation of people and interests over the past months. I am not trying to insult anyone here so please don't take offense - but I am looking for a forum that is for "photo-imaging education and professional practice". The way things stand I fear you are losing talented and helpful members who might add much to the discussion. I truly hope others find this forum helpful - I honestly can't say that I have. Norman -- Norman Jackson Ford - Visiting Lecturer, School of Design, Hong Kong Polytechnic University & Higher Diploma in Multimedia, the Art School, HK Arts Centre PhD (ABD) Dept. of Comparative Literature (and Cultural Studies), University of Hong Kong