Helmut Newton's nude women or not in or on a bed, but in office and factory situations. One (at least) is a full frontal with only her hands covering her pubis. Quite impressive and no props. Chris http://www.chrisscrazyideas.co.uk http://www.chrissgallery.co.uk |> -----Original Message----- |> From: owner-photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu |> [mailto:owner-photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu]On Behalf Of Gregory |> david Stempel |> Sent: 18 May 2003 18:30 |> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students |> Subject: The Nude |> |> |> If I may, a couple of other questions; |> |> Why is it when the nude is female, and the setting has a bed or |> couch in it, |> the nude invariably placed on that bed instead of standing above |> it? Or, why |> are nudes depicted only in traditional stances? |> |> Remember Minor White? Look at the photograph "Portland, 1940" a |> male nude in |> a more provocative pose, but the pose is in affected intended to |> suggest a |> female role, not as homosexuality but in terms of placing that subject on |> equal terms sexually. |> |> Take care, |> Gregory david Stempel |> FIREFRAMEi m a g i n g |> www.americanphotojournalist.com |> |> |>