Don't know of an UK source but you might want to rent the lens if you can, so you can try before buying. darkroommike ---------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Ibbetson" <michael.ibbetson@ntlworld.com> To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" <photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: Re: "Attacks on Journalists in Iraq Are Crimes of War" > totally agree with bob on this one, and i personally feel that the > £10Million budget the BBC have spent on covering the war is really taking > the piss out of the TV licence payer. anyway seeing as this is a photography > forum, does anyone know roughly how much I should pay for a wide angle lens > for my bronica 645etrs?(I am from england). I am doin a feature on a mini > owner in a couple of weeks and I think the images would have more impact > shot on wide angle. cheers. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Blakely" <Bob@Blakely.com> > To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" > <photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: "Attacks on Journalists in Iraq Are Crimes of War" > > > > Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bush administration is purposefully > > targeting the press anywhere to fire on them to suppress their freedom? > > > > Note that the IFJ also says, "At the same time the IFJ condemns what > appears > > to be Iraqi tactics of using civilians and journalists as a "human shield" > > against attack. 'The Baghdad authorities are just as culpable with their > > reckless disregard for civilian lives,' said White" > > > > The troops on the ground that called in the attack said they believed they > > were being fired on from the building. If true, this makes the building a > > target. Period. > > > > If it is not true that they believed they were being fired on from the > > building, well then, they either made an error in perception or they > > wantonly fired on the target without cause. > > > > If they made an error, it happens. We do not intentionally fire on our own > > troops, but friendly fire accidents happen in every war. War is a > dangerous > > place. > > > > If someone wantonly fired on the target without cause, they will be > > prosecuted. > > > > As to "reckless disregard for civilian lives," At no time in human history > > has a war of this magnitude been waged with as much concern for civilian > > lives and with as little loss of said. > > > > War is a dangerous place. Soldiers know this. Journalists know (or should > > know) this. > > > > Regards, > > Bob... > > -------------------------------------------- > > "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying > > the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine > > and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" > > -Martin Luther > > > > From: "Ken K" <kenkagawa@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > "The IFJ says that this attack is a shocking mirror of the destruction > of > > > the Kabul offices of Al Jazeera by American forces during the war in > > > Afghanistan. "It is impossible not to detect a sinister pattern of > > > targeting," " > > > > > > http://www.ifj.org/publications/press/pr/030408iraq.html > > > > > > > > > >"If satellite uplinks from the press are detected in >Baghdad, they > would > > > >be "targeted down", said a senior >US military official. "They know > this. > > > >They've been >warned." > > > > > > This event is so disturbing because it illustrates another Bush > > > administration disregard for basic AMERICAN principles.Freedom of the > > press > > > is a main element of the constitution which protects us from tyranny and > > > fascism. > > > Those who aim to weaken the constitution are a lot more of a threat to > > > freedom than is Saddam Hussein. > > > KenK > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > >
