Mr Cad - about £400 Chris http://www.chrisscrazyideas.co.uk http://www.chrissgallery.co.uk |> -----Original Message----- |> From: owner-photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu |> [mailto:owner-photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu]On Behalf Of Michael |> Ibbetson |> Sent: 09 April 2003 16:06 |> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students |> Subject: Re: "Attacks on Journalists in Iraq Are Crimes of War" |> |> |> totally agree with bob on this one, and i personally feel that the |> £10Million budget the BBC have spent on covering the war is really taking |> the piss out of the TV licence payer. anyway seeing as this is a |> photography |> forum, does anyone know roughly how much I should pay for a wide |> angle lens |> for my bronica 645etrs?(I am from england). I am doin a feature on a mini |> owner in a couple of weeks and I think the images would have more impact |> shot on wide angle. cheers. |> |> |> |> ----- Original Message ----- |> From: "Bob Blakely" <Bob@Blakely.com> |> To: "List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students" |> <photoforum@listserver.isc.rit.edu> |> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:53 PM |> Subject: Re: "Attacks on Journalists in Iraq Are Crimes of War" |> |> |> > Excuse me? Are you saying that the Bush administration is purposefully |> > targeting the press anywhere to fire on them to suppress their freedom? |> > |> > Note that the IFJ also says, "At the same time the IFJ condemns what |> appears |> > to be Iraqi tactics of using civilians and journalists as a |> "human shield" |> > against attack. 'The Baghdad authorities are just as culpable |> with their |> > reckless disregard for civilian lives,' said White" |> > |> > The troops on the ground that called in the attack said they |> believed they |> > were being fired on from the building. If true, this makes the |> building a |> > target. Period. |> > |> > If it is not true that they believed they were being fired on from the |> > building, well then, they either made an error in perception or they |> > wantonly fired on the target without cause. |> > |> > If they made an error, it happens. We do not intentionally |> fire on our own |> > troops, but friendly fire accidents happen in every war. War is a |> dangerous |> > place. |> > |> > If someone wantonly fired on the target without cause, they will be |> > prosecuted. |> > |> > As to "reckless disregard for civilian lives," At no time in |> human history |> > has a war of this magnitude been waged with as much concern |> for civilian |> > lives and with as little loss of said. |> > |> > War is a dangerous place. Soldiers know this. Journalists know |> (or should |> > know) this. |> > |> > Regards, |> > Bob... |> > -------------------------------------------- |> > "Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying |> > the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine |> > and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?" |> > -Martin Luther |> > |> > From: "Ken K" <kenkagawa@hotmail.com> |> > |> > |> > > "The IFJ says that this attack is a shocking mirror of the |> destruction |> of |> > > the Kabul offices of Al Jazeera by American forces during the war in |> > > Afghanistan. "It is impossible not to detect a sinister pattern of |> > > targeting," " |> > > |> > > http://www.ifj.org/publications/press/pr/030408iraq.html |> > > |> > > |> > > >"If satellite uplinks from the press are detected in >Baghdad, they |> would |> > > >be "targeted down", said a senior >US military official. "They know |> this. |> > > >They've been >warned." |> > > |> > > This event is so disturbing because it illustrates another Bush |> > > administration disregard for basic AMERICAN |> principles.Freedom of the |> > press |> > > is a main element of the constitution which protects us from |> tyranny and |> > > fascism. |> > > Those who aim to weaken the constitution are a lot more of a |> threat to |> > > freedom than is Saddam Hussein. |> > > KenK |> > > |> > > |> > > _________________________________________________________________ |> > > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* |> > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail |> > > |> > > |> > |> |>
