Dan, Of course people download, copy images all the time off the web, and alter them, use them as mockup of ads etc.and some problably have ended up in internal corporate brochures or other localized uses. But there have been no major incident as yet. But the possiblity is there and when the going get tough someone will say well the rules allow me to do this then it will be too late to rein in the problem. Are you willing to let the coporations follow the general accepted practice/ethics that exist now even though the don't have to. The way this read it basicly makes your copyright worthless. Of course you still own the copyright but you can't limit anyone else from doing what they want with the picture. Roy n a message dated 9/30/02 5:56:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dcardish@sympatico.ca writes: << More to the point, can anyone on this forum find even one example of a photographer who has been victimized by the TOS of any of the major players, such as Yahoo, Microsoft, Fuji, etc.? Has their even been one photographer whose work has been "reproduced, adapted or altered" after storing their images on the respective servers? Is this a real problem or just the sort of nonsense one usually finds on one of the rec.photo news groups? Dan C. >>