Greg- I'm assuming she doesn't drive yet, but no matter. There are digitals out there for $30-40. I am investigating the Sipix Iquest Roam. It uses two AA batteries, has two focus settings automatic exposure, and shuts itself off after a short period of inactivity (a problem for the guy sitting in the truck with the cameras out on the bumper, but an advantage in your situation). I don't know for sure how long the batteries last yet. I like the pictures it takes, though they are hardly high quality, it doesn't seem to mess up entirely very often. It has flash and a fairly fast lens, also, since it's digital, she can shoot to her heart's content. It downloads straight to a PC and will take compact flash cards if you want to use it with a Mac. At 9:34 AM -0400 9/24/02, Gregory Fraser wrote: >Hmmm.... list seems to be back up. > >I let my 5 year old daughter take a couple of photos with my all >steel construction 1950's camera which she can barely hold still due >to its weight and to my surprise they turned out quite good - level >horizon, good subject placement. I bought her a plastic camera with >a polar bear front on it for about $16 last Christmas but she kept >opening the door to look at the film and the flash has an on/off >switch which she leaves in the on position and drains the batteries. >I think she understands the problem with opening the door but I >don't think we'll ever solve the battery drain problem. > >So I want to get some film that will allow her to shoot in subdued >light and I'm wondering if anybody might have an educated guess as >to the shutter speed and aperture setting on a really cheap camera. >My guess would be f16 at 1/125 sec. > >Greg Fraser -- Alan P. Hayes Meaning and Form: Writing, Editing and Document Design Pittsfield, Massachusetts