Re: Code of Conduct plan

"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:43:45 -0700



    On 09/14/2018 07:36 AM, Dave Page
      wrote:

    
          On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM,
            James Keener <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            wrote:

            
                                        Now, you may say that (2)
                                          would be rejected by the
                                          committee, but I would
                                        counter that it's still a
                                          stain on me and something that
                                          will forever appear
                                        along side my name in
                                          search results and that the
                                          amount of time and
                                        stress it'd take me to
                                          defend myself would make my
                                          voluntarily leaving
                                        the community, which would
                                          be seen as an admission of
                                          guilt, my only
                                        option.
                                      
                                    
                              If you had read the policy, you would
                                know that wouldn't happen as reports and
                                details of reports are to be kept
                                confidential.
                              
                          
                    That doesn't mean I won't be strung along and
                      it doesn't mean that the attacker can't release
                      those details. Remember, I'm worried
                    about politically motivated attacks, and
                      attacks meant to silence opposing viewpoints, not
                      legitimate instances of harassment.

                    
            Sure, but an attacker can do that now. Having the CoC
              doesn't change anything there, though it does give us a
              framework to deal with it.
             
            
                                        People are shitheads.
                                          People are assholes. We're not
                                          agreeing to join
                                        some organization and sign
                                          an ethics clause when signing
                                          up for the mailing
                                        list.  The current
                                          moderators can already remove
                                          bad actors from the list.
                                        How they act outside of the
                                          list is non of this list's
                                          concern.
                                      
                                    
                              The lists are just one of many
                                different ways people in this community
                                interact.
                            
                          
                    So? We interact with people outside of specific
                      groups all the time. Baring specific
                    agreements to the contrary, why should any one
                      group claim responsibility of my
                    personal business?
                  
                
            If that business is publicly bringing the project into
              disrepute, or harassing other community members and they
              approach us about it, then it becomes our business.
          
          
          If it's unrelated to PostgreSQL, then it's your personal
          business and not something the project would get involved in.

        
    O.k. so this isn't clear (at least to me) within the CoC. I want to
    make sure I understand. You are saying that if a community member
    posts on Twitter that they believe gays are going to hell, reporting
    that to the CoC committee would result in a non-violation UNLESS
    they referenced postgresql within the post?

    
    JD

    
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