On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 9/14/18 1:31 AM, Chris Travers wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 PM Tom Lane <tgl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> <mailto:tgl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> >> I wrote: >> > Stephen Frost <sfrost@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:sfrost@xxxxxxxxxxx>> >> writes: >> >> We seem to be a bit past that timeline... Do we have any update >> on when >> >> this will be moving forward? >> >> Or did I miss something? >> >> > Nope, you didn't. Folks have been on holiday which made it hard >> to keep >> > forward progress going, particularly with respect to selecting >> the initial >> > committee members. Now that Magnus is back on shore, I hope we can >> > wrap it up quickly --- say by the end of August. >> >> I apologize for the glacial slowness with which this has all been >> moving. >> The core team has now agreed to some revisions to the draft CoC based >> on >> the comments in this thread; see >> >> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct >> >> (That's the updated text, but you can use the diff tool on the page >> history tab to see the changes from the previous draft.) >> >> >> I really have to object to this addition: >> "This Code is meant to cover all interaction between community members, >> whether or not it takes place within postgresql.org <http://postgresql.org> >> infrastructure, so long as there is not another Code of Conduct that takes >> precedence (such as a conference's Code of Conduct)." > > > I second that objection. It is not in PGDG's remit to cure the world, for > whatever form of cure you ascribe to. This is especially true as 'community > member' has no strict definition. I understand the concern, however, if you look at how attacks happen it is frequently through other sites. Specifically under/poorly moderated sites. For specific examples, people who have issues with people on Quora will frequently go after them on Facebook and Twitter. these aren't a solution looking for a problem. If we just want to look at the clusterfuck that is happening in the reddis community right now we can see conversations spilling onto twitter and into ad hominem vitriol. My $0.02 -- Rob Eckhardt > > >> >> That covers things like public twitter messages over live political >> controversies which might not be personally directed. At least if one is >> going to go that route, one ought to *also* include a safe harbor for >> non-personally-directed discussions of philosophy, social issues, and >> politics. Otherwise, I think this is asking for trouble. See, for example, >> what happened with Opalgate and how this could be seen to encourage use of >> this to silence political controversies unrelated to PostgreSQL. >> >> >> I think we are about ready to announce the initial membership of the >> CoC committee, as well, but that should be a separate post. >> >> regards, tom lane >> >> >> >> -- >> Best Wishes, >> Chris Travers >> >> Efficito: Hosted Accounting and ERP. Robust and Flexible. No vendor >> lock-in. >> http://www.efficito.com/learn_more > > > > -- > Adrian Klaver > adrian.klaver@xxxxxxxxxxx >
