On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 10:26:04PM +0000, Guilherme Janczak wrote: > The standard says it's necessary. > If you have a `volatile long long` on a 32-bit architecture, the > compiler will have to compile it to some bignum code (meaning multiple > instructions), and the signal can come in between them. Agreed, because in this case the variable is not machine-word sized. What happens if you instead use a 32-bit aligned volatile quantity? (Or 16 or 8 bits, for that matter, at least on PowerPC [1].) I would hope that these smaller sizes would work, otherwise, again, device drivers become problematic on that platform. Thanx, Paul [1] There have been some platforms without 16-bit or 8-bit loads, and on such platforms, you could also see failures of one sort or another. > I can quickly make it happen on a Nintendo Wii (32-bit powerpc) as > well as an i386 laptop using this test program: > ``` > #define _POSIX_C_SOURCE 200809L > > #include <sys/time.h> > > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h> > #include <signal.h> > #include <string.h> > > static void catch_sigalrm(int); > > volatile unsigned long long longword; > volatile sig_atomic_t partial_update; > > int > main(void) > { > const struct sigaction act = { .sa_handler = catch_sigalrm }; > const struct itimerval timer = { > .it_value.tv_usec = 1, > .it_interval.tv_usec = 1, > }; > unsigned long long n; > > sigaction(SIGALRM, &act, NULL); > setitimer(ITIMER_REAL, &timer, NULL); > for (unsigned char i = 0;; i++) { > memset(&n, i, sizeof(n)); > longword = n; > if (partial_update) { > fprintf(stderr, "longword partially updated\n"); > exit(1); > } > } > } > > static void > catch_sigalrm(int unused) > { > union multibyte { > long long n; > unsigned char bytes[sizeof(long long)]; > } window; > (void)unused; > window.n = longword; > > for (size_t i = 1; i < sizeof(window.bytes); i++) { > if (window.bytes[i] != window.bytes[0]) > partial_update = 1; > } > } > ``` > > Output: > ``` > $ cc -O2 test.c && ./a.out > longword partially updated > ``` > > The program runs (apparently) forever on my amd64 desktop. > > If you look at the powerpc assembly version of the program in Godbolt: > https://godbolt.org/z/Pc8q7E5ej > Lines 69 and 70 of the assembly use 2 STW instructions to store each > 32-bit half of the bignum. > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 04:44:33PM -0400, Elad Lahav wrote: > > Do you really need volatile? > > There are two cases to consider. Either your code synchronizes updates > > to the shared value with the signal handler (e.g., by blocking and > > then unblocking the signal), in which case I believe the compiler > > cannot ignore updates to the value; or you don't, and you can't depend > > on the variable having any specific value in the signal handler. The > > only thing you want to prevent in the latter case is the handler > > observing a partial update to the variable, which I presume is where > > the other requirements originate. (In practice, there should be little > > or no concern with any primitive type on modern hardware). > > > > --Elad > > > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 4:32 PM Guilherme Janczak > > <guilherme.janczak@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Variables shared with signal handlers must be of type `volatile > > > sigatomic_t`, not `volatile` or `sigatomic_t` as the current text says, > > > according to a C11 draft: > > > > > > When ... interrupted by ... a signal, values of objects that are > > > neither lock-free atomic objects nor of type volatile sig_atomic_t > > > are unspecified. > > > > > > Ref: https://www.iso-9899.info/n1570.html#5.1.2.3p5 > > > Signed-off-by: Guilherme Janczak <guilherme.janczak@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > --- > > > memorder/memorder.tex | 4 ++-- > > > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > > > diff --git a/memorder/memorder.tex b/memorder/memorder.tex > > > index 5c50d42d..873c3424 100644 > > > --- a/memorder/memorder.tex > > > +++ b/memorder/memorder.tex > > > @@ -1317,8 +1317,8 @@ from the viewpoint of the interrupted thread, at least at the > > > assembly-language level. > > > However, the C and C++ languages do not define the results of handlers > > > and interrupted threads sharing plain variables. > > > -Instead, such shared variables must be \co{sig_atomic_t}, lock-free > > > -atomics, or \co{volatile}. > > > +Instead, such shared variables must be \co{volatile sig_atomic_t} or > > > +lock-free atomics. > > > > > > On the other hand, because the handler executes within the interrupted > > > thread's context, the memory ordering used to synchronize communication > > > -- > > > 2.42.0 > > > > > > >