I'm having some trouble with getting certain services thar don't run as root, using pam. Namely postgresql runs as user postgres, but I was expirimenting with various versions of pam_unix and had no luck getting it to auth, until I messed with permissions of /etc/shadow. Now, I'm sure this is a really old and obvious problem. (and if the truth be known I can probably work without it) But, is there a way around it? ---------------------------------------------------------- James West westj@sunnydaleschool.co.uk Visit us on the web at: http://www.sunnydaleschool.co.uk