On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Philipp Muhoray
> <philipp.muhoray@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Am 2014-08-20 19:20, schrieb Nick Krause:
>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I agree with Jason.
>>>>
>>>> I do want Nick to learn the kernel (anyone who wants to learn should
>>>> be able to and we're always looking for new developers) but most of us
>>>> don't have the time or training to be able to help him. Learning via
>>>> email seems to be a very bad medium for him to get a kernel education.
>>>> Emails already take away the human element from communicating (tone of
>>>> voice, facial expressions, etc), and on top of that he has this
>>>> disorder. I really believe that if he finds someone to act as a middle
>>>> man between him and the kernel making sure that he understands our
>>>> emails (to the best of his ability), will help tremendously. I'm sure
>>>> he's smart enough and earnest, but his Asperger's is making this very
>>>> difficult for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully once a system that works for him is set in place, he can
>>>> tell us what is working for him and the kernel could learn how to
>>>> better interact with people with communication disorders and others
>>>> with Autism.
>>>>
>>>> Lidza
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Mandeep Sandhu
>>>> <mandeepsandhu.chd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Agree with Jason here.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't find his questions palatable, just _ignore_ them instead
>>>>> of sending rants and sarcastic emails which just wastes more of your
>>>>> own time. That way the SNR of this list will improve! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jason Conklin <jason.conklin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Guys, stop it. Nick has told us he has Asperger syndrome; as such, he
>>>>>> is not likely to understand facetious or flippant remarks for what
>>>>>> they are. The time you've spent responding to Nick's emails would be
>>>>>> much better used reading a little about autism spectrum disorders
>>>>>> [1,2] and the kinds of difficulty and confusion they cause in more
>>>>>> normal ("neurotypical") contexts, for both AS people and the people
>>>>>> they interact with. Otherwise, just move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a psychologist or an expert on autism spectrum disorders, but
>>>>>> I know enough to recognize that his behavior on this and other lists
>>>>>> is consistent with several aspects of those disorders. The sad thing
>>>>>> is that he's getting treated as a malicious troll or a fool, when it's
>>>>>> pretty clear (to me, anyway) that he's fascinated by the kernel and
>>>>>> just trying to learn as well as he knows how.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without going into autism spectrum intricacies or speculating on
>>>>>> Nick's particular traits, I'll note that Aspergers is "characterized
>>>>>> by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal
>>>>>> communication" (from Wikipedia) -- which we have seen repeatedly in
>>>>>> Nick's frequently inappropriate and unresearched questions and
>>>>>> misunderstanding/misuse of the good advice he has received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The resulting frustration is understandable. I acknowledge that the
>>>>>> format of this and especially the working kernel lists is simply not
>>>>>> equipped to handle Nick's sort of engagement. The best practice, if
>>>>>> you're frustrated by Nick's emails, is probably to follow the protocol
>>>>>> for feeding trolls -- ie, don't -- even though his motivations are
>>>>>> different from what I'd consider a "real" troll's. You simply cannot
>>>>>> expect him to respond (neuro)typically to your input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't intend to discuss this here anymore, but I really hope the
>>>>>> above can provide a little context to help the community make more
>>>>>> fruitful decisions in response to Nick's questions, or at least temper
>>>>>> your frustrations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason Conklin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1odpfrd (Wikipedia: Autism spectrum)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1rmgrHg (Wikipedia: Asperger syndrome)
>>>>>>
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>>> The issue isn't the emails, it's that I am not custom to working in
>>> a high level programming environment. If someone just explains
>>> what I should not do in a written list of rules, I should be fine :).
>>> Nick
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>> Here's a task for you, then:
>> Reread all of our mails from the last few days regarding your behavior,
>> and extract anything that we said you should or shouldn't do. Write it
>> down in the form of a list, pin it on your wall and commit to it.
>>
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> Sure that's fine.
> Nick
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Phillip,
I would like to get back on the list for some work with the btrfs
developers and I was banned.
If someone would allow the ban to be removed, I would find it much
easier as I can email
the right developers with my patches and questions rather then just
trying to get in through
kernel newbies.
Cheers Nick
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