On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Philipp Muhoray
<philipp.muhoray@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Am 2014-08-20 19:20, schrieb Nick Krause:
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I agree with Jason.
>>>
>>> I do want Nick to learn the kernel (anyone who wants to learn should
>>> be able to and we're always looking for new developers) but most of us
>>> don't have the time or training to be able to help him. Learning via
>>> email seems to be a very bad medium for him to get a kernel education.
>>> Emails already take away the human element from communicating (tone of
>>> voice, facial expressions, etc), and on top of that he has this
>>> disorder. I really believe that if he finds someone to act as a middle
>>> man between him and the kernel making sure that he understands our
>>> emails (to the best of his ability), will help tremendously. I'm sure
>>> he's smart enough and earnest, but his Asperger's is making this very
>>> difficult for everyone.
>>>
>>> Hopefully once a system that works for him is set in place, he can
>>> tell us what is working for him and the kernel could learn how to
>>> better interact with people with communication disorders and others
>>> with Autism.
>>>
>>> Lidza
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Mandeep Sandhu
>>> <mandeepsandhu.chd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Agree with Jason here.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't find his questions palatable, just _ignore_ them instead
>>>> of sending rants and sarcastic emails which just wastes more of your
>>>> own time. That way the SNR of this list will improve! :)
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jason Conklin <jason.conklin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Guys, stop it. Nick has told us he has Asperger syndrome; as such, he
>>>>> is not likely to understand facetious or flippant remarks for what
>>>>> they are. The time you've spent responding to Nick's emails would be
>>>>> much better used reading a little about autism spectrum disorders
>>>>> [1,2] and the kinds of difficulty and confusion they cause in more
>>>>> normal ("neurotypical") contexts, for both AS people and the people
>>>>> they interact with. Otherwise, just move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a psychologist or an expert on autism spectrum disorders, but
>>>>> I know enough to recognize that his behavior on this and other lists
>>>>> is consistent with several aspects of those disorders. The sad thing
>>>>> is that he's getting treated as a malicious troll or a fool, when it's
>>>>> pretty clear (to me, anyway) that he's fascinated by the kernel and
>>>>> just trying to learn as well as he knows how.
>>>>>
>>>>> Without going into autism spectrum intricacies or speculating on
>>>>> Nick's particular traits, I'll note that Aspergers is "characterized
>>>>> by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal
>>>>> communication" (from Wikipedia) -- which we have seen repeatedly in
>>>>> Nick's frequently inappropriate and unresearched questions and
>>>>> misunderstanding/misuse of the good advice he has received.
>>>>>
>>>>> The resulting frustration is understandable. I acknowledge that the
>>>>> format of this and especially the working kernel lists is simply not
>>>>> equipped to handle Nick's sort of engagement. The best practice, if
>>>>> you're frustrated by Nick's emails, is probably to follow the protocol
>>>>> for feeding trolls -- ie, don't -- even though his motivations are
>>>>> different from what I'd consider a "real" troll's. You simply cannot
>>>>> expect him to respond (neuro)typically to your input.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't intend to discuss this here anymore, but I really hope the
>>>>> above can provide a little context to help the community make more
>>>>> fruitful decisions in response to Nick's questions, or at least temper
>>>>> your frustrations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason Conklin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1odpfrd (Wikipedia: Autism spectrum)
>>>>>
>>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1rmgrHg (Wikipedia: Asperger syndrome)
>>>>>
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>> The issue isn't the emails, it's that I am not custom to working in
>> a high level programming environment. If someone just explains
>> what I should not do in a written list of rules, I should be fine :).
>> Nick
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> Here's a task for you, then:
> Reread all of our mails from the last few days regarding your behavior,
> and extract anything that we said you should or shouldn't do. Write it
> down in the form of a list, pin it on your wall and commit to it.
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Sure that's fine.
Nick
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