On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I agree with Jason.
>
> I do want Nick to learn the kernel (anyone who wants to learn should
> be able to and we're always looking for new developers) but most of us
> don't have the time or training to be able to help him. Learning via
> email seems to be a very bad medium for him to get a kernel education.
> Emails already take away the human element from communicating (tone of
> voice, facial expressions, etc), and on top of that he has this
> disorder. I really believe that if he finds someone to act as a middle
> man between him and the kernel making sure that he understands our
> emails (to the best of his ability), will help tremendously. I'm sure
> he's smart enough and earnest, but his Asperger's is making this very
> difficult for everyone.
>
> Hopefully once a system that works for him is set in place, he can
> tell us what is working for him and the kernel could learn how to
> better interact with people with communication disorders and others
> with Autism.
>
> Lidza
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Mandeep Sandhu
> <mandeepsandhu.chd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Agree with Jason here.
>>
>> If you don't find his questions palatable, just _ignore_ them instead
>> of sending rants and sarcastic emails which just wastes more of your
>> own time. That way the SNR of this list will improve! :)
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jason Conklin <jason.conklin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Guys, stop it. Nick has told us he has Asperger syndrome; as such, he
>>> is not likely to understand facetious or flippant remarks for what
>>> they are. The time you've spent responding to Nick's emails would be
>>> much better used reading a little about autism spectrum disorders
>>> [1,2] and the kinds of difficulty and confusion they cause in more
>>> normal ("neurotypical") contexts, for both AS people and the people
>>> they interact with. Otherwise, just move on.
>>>
>>> I am not a psychologist or an expert on autism spectrum disorders, but
>>> I know enough to recognize that his behavior on this and other lists
>>> is consistent with several aspects of those disorders. The sad thing
>>> is that he's getting treated as a malicious troll or a fool, when it's
>>> pretty clear (to me, anyway) that he's fascinated by the kernel and
>>> just trying to learn as well as he knows how.
>>>
>>> Without going into autism spectrum intricacies or speculating on
>>> Nick's particular traits, I'll note that Aspergers is "characterized
>>> by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal
>>> communication" (from Wikipedia) -- which we have seen repeatedly in
>>> Nick's frequently inappropriate and unresearched questions and
>>> misunderstanding/misuse of the good advice he has received.
>>>
>>> The resulting frustration is understandable. I acknowledge that the
>>> format of this and especially the working kernel lists is simply not
>>> equipped to handle Nick's sort of engagement. The best practice, if
>>> you're frustrated by Nick's emails, is probably to follow the protocol
>>> for feeding trolls -- ie, don't -- even though his motivations are
>>> different from what I'd consider a "real" troll's. You simply cannot
>>> expect him to respond (neuro)typically to your input.
>>>
>>> I don't intend to discuss this here anymore, but I really hope the
>>> above can provide a little context to help the community make more
>>> fruitful decisions in response to Nick's questions, or at least temper
>>> your frustrations.
>>>
>>> Jason Conklin
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1odpfrd (Wikipedia: Autism spectrum)
>>>
>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1rmgrHg (Wikipedia: Asperger syndrome)
>>>
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The issue isn't the emails, it's that I am not custom to working in
a high level programming environment. If someone just explains
what I should not do in a written list of rules, I should be fine :).
Nick
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