On Saturday, November 20, 2010, Bond <jamesbond.2k.g@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 1:14 AM, John Mahoney <jmahoney@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Bond I think you are a prime example of someone who walks the line >> between asking legit questions and asking dubious questions. I think >> your intentions are good and you really are trying to learn, but you >> ask far too many questions far too quickly. Also, I think you should > I read that book of device drivers which is ............and read it > for at least many years > and not once many many times.I could not write a single driver out of it. > Which I recently wrote by writing some other "recent docs" and then > with the understanding developed from them. > If there is some thing like my previous question for a structure in > super IO chips such things I do not see commonly being used. > I looked at a similar code in vlc media player and found that such a > structure was not known to many many experienced kernel level > programmers and > they found it difficult to understand. > If some one is asking a question via a typedef in a function pointer > or structure initialization which he never found any where else on > this planet other than the kernel then what wrong is he doing.That > book does not covers such things.See it is very good to give lecture > to any one who asked question to do blah blah but to understand his > problem and give a solution to some thing specific is not an easy > thing. > Recent example was my character device question where the driver was > dropping characters out of it. I could not understand the reason > behind it some one even blocked me from his mails and one guy actually > solved that problem. > When you are learning some thing then asking questions even the > silliest ones is not wrong. > At least some one who is asking is attempting his level best( upon his > understanding) to understand irrespective of the fact that community > does not appreciates that. > I did read K R after getting busted here and I do not see any one else > other than me asking such C questions and to the best of my knowledge > I did not found any thing the people who suggest to read K R > themselves do not read that book but will give suggestion to read. > KR was written for C in very old times to help people beginning with > programming or what ever reason it does not cover often the way Data > structures are initialized in kernel specific areas.Or some other > relevant stuff.My point is rather than giving some one such a lecture > it will be better to just make a doc with relevant structs,typedefs > and such other tricks which are used in kernel many a times which > might not be commonly found on the wiki and give a link to that may be > if such a thing is present some one whose questions appear silly would > before asking read that doc and will get his answers from there. Just remember, most people here are doing this for free, so be polite and make sure your not asking obvious questions. I personally feel your questions and attitude have improved. I was not trying to single one person out, I apologize for that. I love open source and want to help people just like I was helped, but I personally will spend a day or two before even asking a question on any mailing list. This is not bonds personal tutoring list and for about a month it was starting to look like that. I have seen you mature in the short time here. Just remember many people have jobs and are taking time out from doing work to answer your questions. Also, try to ask questions that are useful to more than just yourself. At the end of the day this should be a fun place to learn about the kernel and take advantage of this wonderful resource, which is an open source, high quality operating system. Read the source, change it, break it, fix it, but the best teacher is yourself, a build system,vand an old computer. Go oops some kernels and have fun doing it! My personal slogan for this list is "Everyone was a kernel newbie....once!" Come on even busy people like Greg kh still pop in here and toss knowledge around! I'm still convinced he has a few clones lying around in his basement ;) John > -- > Most of the free documentation and kernel books are not worth reading. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send an email with > "unsubscribe kernelnewbies" to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Please read the FAQ at http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ > > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send an email with "unsubscribe kernelnewbies" to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxx Please read the FAQ at http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ
