I've been runnign on Sues for a few years now. Currently I run 8.0. But I've been a little disappointed with there online updates, and a few other things over all. I'm looking for a good console only base system install using an up to date well patched kernel. Also a very good update system for patches. With SuSE since everything is controlled by Yast updating manually really isn't a viable option. Can some of you give me some input on like Redhat Dabian and such. Just so you know I typically do an ftp install, with a custom configured Kernel and firewall scripts. Rowan Reid Job Captain, Systems Administrator STUDIO 3 ARCHITECTS 909 982 1717