On Sunday 30 December 2007 06:50:05 am hendrik at topoi.pooq.com wrote: > On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 07:23:15PM -0500, James Knott wrote: > > Peter Flynn wrote: > > > Marius Gedminas wrote: > > >> On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 04:43:51PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > > >>>> If you're a new user, I'd forget O7 and go directly to > > >>>> 08. There's enough 08 stuff for a new user that you'll > > >>>> spend a week or more exploring all that's available, and by > > >>>> then, even more stuff will be available. > > >>> > > >>> A lot of useful command line tools have gone to the mist. > > >>> Hope the same will not get perl, python, ruby... > > >> > > >> So, what command-line tools do you miss? I've got an idle > > >> scratchbox here. > > > > > > ping and traceroute would be useful. > > > > Ping is there, but you have to be root to use it. > > That's bizarre. What security implications are there in ping that > would mean it has to be run only by root? Forcing people to use > root when not necessary is itself a security problem. > > -- hendrik Hendrik, Actually ping requires root on all systems. Since in order to do icmp you need to put the nic into a different mode than it runs in normally. The way it is normally done on every other linux distro is to do (as root) chmod u+s /usr/bin/ping (or /bin/ping on busybox enabled systems) This will, yes, set ping as setuid root. If you look at any other Linux you see that they all run ping setuid root. James
