Hi James, You forgot to mention that there isn't a termcap install by default! I agree with you. THe xterm is not very usable in its current state. Try using emacs with that <Ctrl> window. I have downloaded the old xterm (version 0.14) and recompiled it for OS 2008 (I had to change some of the application names so it would not collide with osso-xterm). It works, except that the <modifiers> shortcuts just don't work (I have to check why). But, when used with an external keyboard, it gives you a nice full frame xterm that does not give any annoying messages when you press some Ctrl keys. And it brings tabs back. Sometime ago I was trying to find the xterm maintainer. Apparently nobody is fully in charge of it. This is probably the reason it sucks so badly. I suspect the person in charge (and please, if you, the current maintainer reads this, it is not an attack on your skills as a developer, or on your good will trying to improve xtemr) does not use the xterm for anything other than executing shell commands I have some patches that allow to send <Ctrl> special characters (such as Ctrl-_) to the xterm (under OS 2007). I never got confirmation that were committed. (they were badly needed to run emacs inside an xterm). The repository where I got it from is : https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osso-xterm/osso-xterm/trunk but it has not been changed since Sept of this year. The OS 2008 xterm is not being hosted there (unless it is a branch). Perhaps we need to start a project to create an maemo-xterm that is intended to be used for more than just shell commands. -dmg James> All, So far a large part of my problems are sitting around apps that James> aren't yet ported to 2008. unzip, radio, mplayer, nmap, omweather James> are a few that are in the repository but don't install. For now James> there are some things I don't understand. I'm not trying to step on James> toes. I just don't understand. James> 1. Why did Nokia decide to change the industry defacto standard term James> plugin and change it to component? tools > components shows you the James> browser plugins. James> 2. Why oh Why did someone take something as useful as xterm and James> improve to the point of being almost unusable? I can't file bugs, as James> it is apparently doing what it is supposed to. However, what it James> does really drives me nuts. Maybe it's just me. Why did they remove the useful tabs and replace it with multiple James> windows? Given that there is no WM in the traditional sense you James> can't resize and move between them easily. Tabs afforded the ability James> to quickly manage multiple term windows (my record on the IT is 10 James> tabs.) Windows bring this to a grinding halt. James> Why did they move the "button" bar to the bottom. Down there is James> steals valuable screen real-estate from you. James> Why is it that they split the adjust background color and font color James> into two different locations in the settings gui? James> Why did they increase the steps to use the ctrl key in the button bar? James> Before to do cntrl-c it was 2 clicks one on cntrl one on c ... now James> it's 5. cntrl - text box - c - ok - screen during this time the James> keyboard closes 2 or 3 times. This can make vi a real PITA too. James> Perhaps I'm just using the IT differently from most, I don't view it James> as sterility a muti-media toy. To me it's my #1 tool for doing my James> job, so perhaps I'm a bit sensitive. Sorry if I sound ranty I don't James> mean to be but I am wondering why so may drastic changes were made to James> a really good app. James> James -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with .