So, the first experiment can be is to adopt packages for 4.2007.26-8 make 'em a base for earlier platforms dist-upgrade. Initially the list of packages from clean 3.2007 and 4.2007 installations should be created for analysis of the difference. Am I right? Denis On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:37:26 +0400, Ed Bartosh <eduard.bartosh at nokia.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:12 +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote: >> Ed Bartosh wrote: >> >> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being >> offered >> >> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the >> >> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is >> in >> >> Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people would be >> >> more likely to upload to it: >> >> >> >> - It creates awareness of the repository. Outside this mailing list >> few >> >> developers are likely to even know of the existence of this >> repository. >> >> If the repository is visible in the manager you can Google for >> >> instructions on how to get your own software there. >> >> >> > I'd look at it from community point of view. If we want to have one >> more >> > line in /etc/sources.list or in some other configuration file why we >> > should wait for Nokia to do that? Is it so hard to make some package >> for >> > this and put its .install file somewhere on garage? >> >> Defaults matter. By enabling extras through an install file on garage >> you're limiting yourself to the hardcore crowd who knows to visit garage >> in the first place. >> > I agree with this. But considering the fact that we already have more > than 3,5 thousands registered garage users it's not bad to start with > them just to prove the concept. > Of course it's much harder than just sitting and blaming Nokia :) > >> That's not to say the community couldn't step up to make extras The Repo >> right now without Nokia's help. I'm just saying the incentive for doing >> so is weak at the moment. > >> >> > What I mean is that nothing prevents community to make it 'the repo'. >> > The only two things are missing: clear criteria to get there and team >> of >> > uploaders or even one uploader. Then if it works it can be improved >> > easily. >> > As a start point simple voting system should be enough, I believe. >> > I can help with uploads, if needed. >> >> Clear criteria and a community vetting process for acceptance are the >> key points, and in my opinion the way to go about implementing this is >> to integrate it tightly with Garage: >> - Make requesting repository access a function of the existing project >> administrative web-interface, not emailing some dude. >> - Requesting access through the interface creates an entry in a ticket >> tracker, where it can be voted and commented on. Access is granted (or >> not) when a repo admin resolves the ticket. >> > Sounds like a plan. Any volunteers? > >> >> If there's any additional hoops to jump through people just aren't >> going >> >> to bother. >> > Yeah, I can see that. And you know what? It's not because Nokia not >> > doing this and that, it's just because of people who don't bother. As >> a >> > result we have this mess with tons of repositories and .install files >> > instead of one extra. And we also have users, who have to deal with >> this >> > mess. >> >> There will always be people who just don't bother. By creating >> incentives for participating (larger audience, out-of-box experience) >> and at the same time lowering the entry bar (automation, well defined >> process) eventually you would reach critical mass and extras becomes the >> first choice for a developer seeking a distribution channel. >> > I can't say for others but for me personally incentives are obvious: > - ability to install my favorite packages in one click in AI or one run > of apt instead of looking for them and dealing with possible > installation issues. > - having one place for trusted working software which is known to work > and tested by others > - easy upgrades > - hapiness of users > > Isn't it enough? It seems that it isn't and I still don't understand > why. > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
