On 7/3/07, Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com> wrote: > Now, a question and a long thought for the maemo lovers: > > What do you think we should do? Bring the Nokia devices/commercial > agenda also here or keep maemo apart from that? I think until this message that you just sent, there was no clear definition in my mind just what Maemo was and what it was not. I don't think it would matter which way that Nokia goes (blending some closed source stuff into Maemo or not), so long as it is crystal clear what was closed, why it is closed (secrets drive us nuts more so than just knowing the political/business reasons behind things) and some dedication to opening it up or replacing it with open (or not blocking others from replacing certain bits when Nokia doing it is not in Nokia's financial/business interest). Your presentation referenced below: https://s3.amazonaws.com/slideshare/ssplayer.swf?id=58688&doc=nokia-and-maemo-in-the-new-gnome-mobile-context-481 offers some very revealing and positive bits of info, namely: Slide 22 - intention to support APT updates for OS (would allow you and the users to have a more find-grained, customizable mix of open and closed apps) Slide 26 - the intention to synchronize Maemo platform and firmware releases > Almost the same applies to details of a next Internet Tablet OS release > besides the platform and open source related components, that we are > trying to address increasingly through > http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html , http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/ , > http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ and other stuff commented through the > maemo-developers mailing list, our blogs aggregated in > http://planet.maemo.org and public presentations like > http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/369 or Ari Jaaksi's keynote in > http://www.guadec.org/schedule/core (open source lovers and developers, > stay tuned that day). Thank you for those links. I had missed some of that info. Sounds like we have things to look forward to on the 17th. > Skype in the N800 was > promised and very soon you will be able to see it in your own N800, > together with some other cool stuff largely requested and discussed in > this list, and present in the maemo roadmap. Actually, I would be very disappointed if Skype was included in the firmware or causing the delay of the firmware. I use it but would like it to be a separately installable app that integrates with the contact infrastructure on the desktop. Usually roadmap features have target dates that get publicly refined (stating the political/economic/technical reasons) as they approach. That is something that is missing from Nokia/Maemo's public process. Maybe that doesn't match the marketing goal of making a big publicity splash but it does match the PR goal of managing customer expectations. /Mike