On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Guenter Roeck <guenter.roeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, for my part I don't think I can help you any further. The driver reportsOn Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 07:18:46PM -0400, Martin Suchanek wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Guenter Roeck <guenter.roeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 03:04:51PM -0400, Martin Suchanek wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Guenter Roeck <
> guenter.roeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 06:08:23AM -0400, Martin Suchanek wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Guenter Roeck <
> > guenter.roeck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:47:47AM +0100, Martin Suchanek
> wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Add info:
> > > > I have found software called open hardware monitor. I have
> been
> > testing
> > > it
> > > > in windows for couple of days and it works properly with
> Nuvoton
> > NST6776F
> > > > chip. I have been comparing results with AI Suite software
> coming
> > from
> > > ASUS
> > > > and results are corresponding and measuring is with big
> precise. So
> > , you
> > > > can have a look to source code and compare with your driver.
> This
> > > software
> > > > should work on linux as well but I did not try it yet but I
> will.
> > > >
> > > I finally had time to look into the open hardware monitor code.
> > >
> > > The answer is quite simple - the board get the CPU temperature
> using
> > PECI,
> > > which the w83627ehf/nct67765 driver reports is as "PECI Agent
> 0".
> > > Open Hardware Monitor maps that temperature into the CPU
> temperature
> > > display
> > > and ignores CPUTIN. Which makes sense, since the purpose of
> PECI is
> > to
> > > report
> > > the CPU temperature.
> > >
> > > So all you need to do is to ignore the value of CPUTIN and use
> the
> > "PECI
> > > Agent 0"
> > > temperature instead.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am now confused ?
> > > I do not know technical details but according to ASUS technical
> support
> > > CPUTIN is temperature of motherboard (not cpu socket , not cpu
> yourself )
> > > what exactly this temperature means ?
> > >
> > From looking into the OHM source, motherboard temperature is SYSTIN,
> not
> > CPUTIN.
> > Some but not all boards have AUXTIN connected as well. CPUTIN does
> not seem
> > to be used at all on ASUS boards as far as I can see.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am sorry but when I compare my AI Suite monitor (I attached picture) (-
> 60
> > Celsius) with psensor ( - 60 Celsius) => CPUTIN correspond with
> motherboard
> > temperature and technical support saying the same thing (even if I have
> to
> > admit that according to name convention it should be as you said). And
> AUXTIN
> > has asus motherboard maximus iv extreme - psensor is showing 33.5 Celsius
> - no
> > problem with that.
>
> Judging from the OHM source, it looks like some Asus boards have AUXTIN
> connected,
> others don't. -60 degrees C suggests that there is nothing connected to the
> sensor pin.
>
> > where did you get exactly those information about what is what ? Could
> you put
> > some URL or documentation ?
>
> Open Hardware Monitor source code, http://
> open-hardware-monitor.googlecode.com/svn.
>
> I don't see CPUTIN on your screen shot. I only see "CPU" and "CPU socket",
> but I don't see
> anything suggesting that those report the temperature as measured on the
> CPUTIN pin
> of the NCT6776F. To know how the values reported by the AI suite map to
> board sensors,
> it would be necessary to see its source code and/or configuration files.
>
> Guenter
>
>
>
> Oh, sorry , I did not explain it in all context. Minus 60 Celsius has
> motherboard in red colour.
> On the screenshot there is - 60 celsius temperature which corresponding with
> value as in windows 7 as in linux psensor/lm-sensor as in my bios in under
> certain complicated circumstances :-) That's the one for the reasons why I am
> arguing due to meaning of CPUTIN.
> I try to explain - it is more complex:
> Minus 60 Celsius does not mean that sensor is not connected. It is connected
> because - In 90 percent of my computer working time it is properly measuring
> value by BIOS and AI Suite ... EXCEPT lm-sensor/psensor in Linux - it is ALWAYS
> minus 60 Celsius - this is wrong.
> What I am trying to say is that the problem is definitely at first with
> hardware (this part I am still working on it with asus technical support) and
> at second lm-sensor software in Linux. "Normally" , it is working perfectly
> fine BUT in some very rarely occasions - when computer is running much much
> longer temperature appears as minus 60 Celsius in Windows/BIOS". BUT In Linux -
> it is ALWAYS minus 60 Celsius - it never was different value.
> Only CPUTIN temperature has such problem in Linux. The other temperatures -
> SYSTIN , AUXTIN , PECI Agent 0 have been always correct as in Windows as in
> BIOS as in Linux. I have been comparing/inspecting those values more than half
> a year so I am sure about those temperature values :-)
>
> What I am totally confused is the meaning of CPUTIN/SYSTIN - from my point of
> experience you are first person who is saying that CPUTIN is CPU temperature
> and not motherboard temperature which is opposite what ASUS technical support
> saying and further reason which I have mentioned before.
> ( :-) So if ASUS technical support is wrong it would be fun to talk with ASUS
> technical support but I have to be absolutely sure about the meaning of CPUTIN
> and SYSTIN :-) )
> On many forums - owners of this motherboard are confused like me and I did
> not find any reliable source of information to be sure how is it in real ?
>
> If I run open hardware monitor in linux - there is no values for temperatures -
> except GPU - but only one instead of two and etc. ... too many discrepancies
> within this software on Linux so I do not trust that it is correct measuring
> (need to contact author later)
>
> AI Suite is commercial ASUS software for measuring many usefull "bios"
> parameters like temperatures/fans/voltages etc. ... but only for windows) - so
> no source code at all - I will try to find some config files.
> By the way - ASUS is not supporting linux at all and will not be - they
> confirmed that.
>
> Please accept my apology If I explained something bad/wrong way - (I am not
> good in explaination) - let me know for further information.
>
what it gets from the chip. The driver source is public. If you say that the driver
has a bug, feel free to dig through the driver and try to find it. I'll be more
than happy to accept patches.
Thanks,
Guenter
:-) ok , that will be too many things for me to learn but I will (I made for the last time software in assembler and C 20 years ago) :-)
Martin
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