On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:19:06AM -0400, Forest Bond wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 09:02:48AM -0400, John W. Linville wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 02:43:54PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote: > > > Hi Marcel, > > > > > > > just to document the irony here. Two or three years ago at OLS, Kyle and > > > > Greg were making fun of Ubuntu merging its 5th wireless stack into their > > > > kernel. Now the staging crap is doing exactly the same. Yes we are. But we are doing it correctly :) Turns out that people actually want to use their hardware, and no one else was working on merging these drivers, so that is what staging is for. > Well, gosh, I understand the criticism here and if I were a kernel developer I > imagine my perspective would be much the same. But I can't help but feel that > there's some amount of hypocrisy when we hammer on a manufacturer to properly > license their driver and then let it drop dead when they do. I agree. > I understand that the problem would be solved if they manufacturers would > suddenly "get it," but the scale of social problem preventing that is likely too > large to change anytime soon. Agreed. > If kernel developers are too busy to support the hardware, why do the > manufacturers take so much criticism for releasing binary-only drivers or badly > licensed drivers, or for neglecting to release technical specifications? If > what I'm sensing is correct and there's no practical likelihood of these devices > getting in-kernel support even with those issues resolved, the criticism almost > seems unjustified. > > I appreciate what the kernel developers do, of course, and my intention is not > to ruffle feathers. But when a manufacturer that has taken a lot of criticism > for its approach to the Linux community shows some good will, it seems like we > ought to be able to turn that into something productive. If we can't, what have > we been complaining about? > > My apologies if I'm way off on this. I haven't been around all that long so it > is certainly possible. You aren't way off at all. Thanks for the patches, I'll get to them in a few days when my "real job" calms down a bit. They're now in my queue, and will not get lost. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-wireless" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
