On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 03:39:02PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 3:27 PM Heikki Krogerus > <heikki.krogerus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 02:50:24PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:45 AM Heikki Krogerus > > > <heikki.krogerus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 05:08:40PM +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > It looks like there is a use case that cannot be addressed by using > > > > > device_add_properties() and that's why you need this new function. > > > > > > > > > > Can you describe that use case, please, and explain what the problem > > > > > with using device_add_properties() in it is? > > > > > > > > The problem with device_add_properties() is that it gives false > > > > impression that the device properties are somehow directly attached to > > > > the devices, which is not true. Now, that should not be a major issue, > > > > but it seems that it is. I think Lee Jones basically used that as an > > > > argument to refuse changes (and pretty minor changes) that would have > > > > allowed us to use software nodes with the MFD drivers. > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, I was not planning to provide a replacement for it > > > > originally. We do in any case have the real issue caused by that > > > > device_remove_properties() call in device_del() which has to be fixed. > > > > > > What's that issue, specifically? > > > > The problem is that we can't now reuse or share if necessary, or just > > in general be in charge of the lifetime of the software nodes because > > that call is in device_del(). Now the lifetime of the software nodes > > is always tied to the devices they are attached, no questions asked. > > I see and so instead you want the reference counting to trigger the > cleanup when the count gets to 0. > > Sounds reasonable to me and please put this information into the patch > changelog. Yes. I'll do that. thanks, -- heikki